Skills shortage in Australia

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/australia-needs-more-workers-for-these-jobs-is-migration-the-answer-to-solving-our-skills-shortage/v1l6p8jyo
Is migration the answer....
Well no...this is bullshit....
The answer is the system under which we live which we have all been brainwashed
into believing as being normal...
That system is that all kids are told that to get a good job you have to go to Year 12.
They are told that this increases their competitiveness when applying for a job.
They are also told that to get to university they have to go to Y12....(aged 18)
They are also told they cannot leave school unless they have a job to go to.
They are also told that if that job falls through for any reason, they cannot get
unemployment benefits until they are 22...
No-one is told to leave school at 16, get an apprenticeship and learn a trade....
Hence the skill shortage...
Change the system and you might get some kids leaving school and learning trades...
You dont need Y12 qualifications to work in a coffee shop
And when overseas students in Oz finish their degree they piss off....
They dont stay in Oz.....
Change the system....

Welders, fitters, boilermakers, iron workers, carpenter's, make about $40 in the states. About $2/hour more for NCEER certification. Without Union Extortion in Right-to-work states.

Non union hands make the same or more than lazy, union hands and don't have scarce union jobs meted out to them for just a few months out of the year. A good tradesman will never have trouble finding work.
Especially if you're willing to travel the country and work shutdowns/turnarounds and work 80 hour weeks. It's a heap of money!!

Auto mechanics, HVAC, plumbers all charge $100/hour.

I imagine wages are much higher in Oz as it seems the cost of living is comparable to living in large American cities on the east and west coasts.

So it's hard for me to gauge if $40/hour is good money in Oz are just average pay.

The cost of living is pretty low in Louisiana. Even less in Mississippi.

I have absolutely no idea of wage rates for tradesmen/women
in Oz.
All I can contribute in this area is that my grandson left school
at 16 and completed an apprenticeship as an air conditioning
mechanic and now earns over 100 grand a year.
I understand he is in a supervising role....he is now 23 yo.....

We can't expect the state to prepare our kids for the work force. Some schools have programs to prepare the child for a trade instead of some of the "elective" classes they are offered. I went through a program for electronics in high school. Most of your kids preparedness falls on you. My dad taught me a little carpentry, but he didn't want me doing it for a living. So he just taught me to work hard. My friend, Mark, had really strict parents that made him do all kinds of chores around the house. I felt sorry for him at the time. He rebuilt the engine in his Volkswagen in high school. As adults, he became a doctor and wasn't satisfied with it. He quit and took a job as a plumber to work his way through engineering school. He is an electrical engineer. He had awesome parents.

Crusader wrote:We can't expect the state to prepare our kids for the work force.  Some schools have programs to prepare the child for a trade instead of some of the "elective" classes they are offered.  I went through a program for electronics in high school.  Most of your kids preparedness falls on you.  My dad taught me a little carpentry, but he didn't want me doing it for a living.  So he just taught me to work hard.  My friend, Mark, had really strict parents that made him do all kinds of chores around the house.  I felt sorry for him at the time.  He rebuilt the engine in his Volkswagen in high school.  As adults, he became a doctor and wasn't satisfied with it.  He quit and took a job as a plumber to work his way through engineering school.  He is an electrical engineer.  He had awesome parents.

Perhaps those times are now gone...
Every couple now has to go to work to pay the bills...
Time is precious...it waits for no man....
Perhaps the days of learning a skill from mum or dad are over....
After all...they are always at work...
When they are not working, they are mowing the lawn...washing the car...changing
the plugs..etc etc...
When do they have the "spare time" to teach junior anything....

billy the kid wrote:

Crusader wrote:We can't expect the state to prepare our kids for the work force.  Some schools have programs to prepare the child for a trade instead of some of the "elective" classes they are offered.  I went through a program for electronics in high school.  Most of your kids preparedness falls on you.  My dad taught me a little carpentry, but he didn't want me doing it for a living.  So he just taught me to work hard.  My friend, Mark, had really strict parents that made him do all kinds of chores around the house.  I felt sorry for him at the time.  He rebuilt the engine in his Volkswagen in high school.  As adults, he became a doctor and wasn't satisfied with it.  He quit and took a job as a plumber to work his way through engineering school.  He is an electrical engineer.  He had awesome parents.

Perhaps those times are now gone...
Every couple now has to go to work to pay the bills...
Time is precious...it waits for no man....
Perhaps the days of learning a skill from mum or dad are over....
After all...they are always at work...
When they are not working, they are mowing the lawn...washing the car...changing
the plugs..etc etc...
When do they have the "spare time" to teach junior anything....

They teach their kids while they are mowing the yard, changing the plugs, etc......  Almost all of my friends who went into the trades learned a lot from their dads.  Some girls as well.  A friend of my sons' learned quilting from his grandparents.  He is now an egress specialist in the US Marine Reserves.  He repairs parachutes and is a fireman for his day job.

I know I'm not typical, but my wife never had to work while we were raising kids.  I worked a lot of hours, but I did teach my sons what little I know about home and vehicle maintenance. They are very capable of taking care of a lawn and doing maintenance on the lawn mower. I also managed to make it to 90% of their band concerts and baseball games.  My youngest is a diesel mechanic.  He is 20 and making $24/hr with really good potential to make more.

Crusader wrote:

billy the kid wrote:

Crusader wrote:We can't expect the state to prepare our kids for the work force.  Some schools have programs to prepare the child for a trade instead of some of the "elective" classes they are offered.  I went through a program for electronics in high school.  Most of your kids preparedness falls on you.  My dad taught me a little carpentry, but he didn't want me doing it for a living.  So he just taught me to work hard.  My friend, Mark, had really strict parents that made him do all kinds of chores around the house.  I felt sorry for him at the time.  He rebuilt the engine in his Volkswagen in high school.  As adults, he became a doctor and wasn't satisfied with it.  He quit and took a job as a plumber to work his way through engineering school.  He is an electrical engineer.  He had awesome parents.

Perhaps those times are now gone...
Every couple now has to go to work to pay the bills...
Time is precious...it waits for no man....
Perhaps the days of learning a skill from mum or dad are over....
After all...they are always at work...
When they are not working, they are mowing the lawn...washing the car...changing
the plugs..etc etc...
When do they have the "spare time" to teach junior anything....

They teach their kids while they are mowing the yard, changing the plugs, etc......  Almost all of my friends who went into the trades learned a lot from their dads.  Some girls as well.  A friend of my sons' learned quilting from his grandparents.  He is now an egress specialist in the US Marine Reserves.  He repairs parachutes.

Im generalizing of course when I refer to mowing the lawn.... perhaps the parachute
repairist is an exception to the rule....
I note you refer to almost of your friends learning a lot from their dads...
Point conceded...but what era was that....would it be yesteryear....not today...
Of course the kids of today might not want to learn how to mow the lawn...
They might be composing a tik tok clip....or whatever...

HawkTheSlayer wrote:Welders, fitters, boilermakers, iron workers, carpenter's, make about $40 in the states. About $2/hour more for NCEER certification. Without Union Extortion in Right-to-work states.

Non union hands make the same or more than lazy, union hands and don't have scarce union jobs meted out to them for just a few months out of the year. A good tradesman will never have trouble finding work.
Especially if you're willing to travel the country and work shutdowns/turnarounds and work 80 hour weeks. It's a heap of money!!

Auto mechanics, HVAC, plumbers all charge $100/hour.

I imagine wages are much higher in Oz as it seems the cost of living is comparable to living in large American cities on the east and west coasts.

So it's hard for me to gauge if $40/hour is good money in Oz are just average pay.

The cost of living is pretty low in Louisiana. Even less in Mississippi.

Are auto mechanics making that much?

Back in 1999, we got a new hire on the railroad...a young guy, about 24, who was an ASE-certified mechanic, trained on Fords and who had worked at a dealership. He talked about the pay coming down to about $8-$15 an hour, and he was thrilled to get on with Conrail (as it was, then) and make (then) $250-$400 a day. And not have to buy his tools.

I did hear recently that a mate of mine got a forklift driver a better
job...the guy went from $24 an hour to $38 an hour....
The variation I suppose would be common depending on who you
work for.....
Dont know the award wages for these guys....
Small business legislation in Oz is a disgrace...
Businesses of less than 15 staff can sack anyone without
reason if they have not been employed there for 12 months...
A lot of workers Id imagine on low wages would be punted
after 11 months...
Casual/part-time work with no long term security is a bandaid
in Oz to cover up the huge cost of employing staff on a full
time basis....
The whole joint is f.........d

Casey Jones wrote:

HawkTheSlayer wrote:Welders, fitters, boilermakers, iron workers, carpenter's, make about $40 in the states. About $2/hour more for NCEER certification. Without Union Extortion in Right-to-work states.

Non union hands make the same or more than lazy, union hands and don't have scarce union jobs meted out to them for just a few months out of the year. A good tradesman will never have trouble finding work.
Especially if you're willing to travel the country and work shutdowns/turnarounds and work 80 hour weeks. It's a heap of money!!

Auto mechanics, HVAC, plumbers all charge $100/hour.

I imagine wages are much higher in Oz as it seems the cost of living is comparable to living in large American cities on the east and west coasts.

So it's hard for me to gauge if $40/hour is good money in Oz are just average pay.

The cost of living is pretty low in Louisiana. Even less in Mississippi.

Are auto mechanics making that much?

Back in 1999, we got a new hire on the railroad...a young guy, about 24, who was an ASE-certified mechanic, trained on Fords and who had worked at a dealership.   He talked about the pay coming down to about $8-$15 an hour, and he was thrilled to get on with Conrail (as it was, then) and make (then) $250-$400 a day.  And not have to buy his tools.

Last time I went to an independent mechanic was over 10 years ago. He was charging $75/hour.
I imagine dealer shops are charging the same.
The dealers most certainly pay their mechanics about half of the charged rate.
$40-$50/hour still ain't too bad.