JRR Tolkien was a devout Catholic Christian.

RV wrote:

Red Lily wrote:Most people enjoy a little fantasy in their lives and there's nothing wrong with that.  I like the LOTR movies but haven't read the books.
BTW JRR Tolkien was a HE (for those who keep referring to him as a she).

With all the emphasis on pronouns these days, does it really matter? He, She, It, Binary, Non-Binary, Breeding, Non-Breeding, etc,

Many people have gone through the procedures and expense of getting tattoos and piercings also, I haven't and won't.

Jumping through all those hoops must make you one of the most physically fit persons on earth!

And, btw, had you read LOTR, you'd know that it was an epic tale of the forces of good and evil in the world. NO ONE mentioned it being anything close to the Bible. Simply that JRR Tolken was a Christian. And he most certainly was.

Not having read the book, hardly puts anyone in a position to make any judgement on it, nor it's author. It's obvious that you haven't so much as read a summation.

2cent wrote:

RV wrote:

Red Lily wrote:Most people enjoy a little fantasy in their lives and there's nothing wrong with that.  I like the LOTR movies but haven't read the books.
BTW JRR Tolkien was a HE (for those who keep referring to him as a she).

With all the emphasis on pronouns these days, does it really matter? He, She, It, Binary, Non-Binary, Breeding, Non-Breeding, etc,

Many people have gone through the procedures and expense of getting tattoos and piercings also, I haven't and won't.

Jumping through all those hoops must make you one of the most physically fit persons on earth!

And, btw, had you read LOTR, you'd know that it was an epic tale of the forces of good and evil in the world.  NO ONE mentioned it being anything close to the Bible.  Simply that JRR Tolken was a Christian.  And he most certainly was.  

Not having read the book, hardly puts anyone in a position to make any judgement on it, nor it's author.  It's obvious that you haven't so much as read a summation.

Right, you are free to read Adolf Hitler's book so you can put yourself in a 'position to judge'. While you're at it, you can step in that Cow pattie instead of avoiding it to put yourself in a position to 'judge' as to whether or not it's good to step in Cow manure or not. You can look at child porn if you choose so that you can 'judge' whether it's good or not. As for me, I'll stay away from all that garbage INCLUDING J.R.R. Tolken's trash. As I said, your obsession with my avoidance of trash is much more revealing of you than me.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-art.html

Personally, i wonder if God did not inspire JRRTolkien's LOTR. THAT and WW1 definitely in my opinion. Tolkien i have read said himself that it is religious but not so at first but in the revision if I remember correctly.

As an aside...do you think THE Catholic Church, not the lay people but the Church itself and the Church elite...are stronger or weaker than the Catholic church during and after the Middle ages in Europe up to the French Revolution?

RV wrote:

2cent wrote:

RV wrote:

Red Lily wrote:Most people enjoy a little fantasy in their lives and there's nothing wrong with that.  I like the LOTR movies but haven't read the books.
BTW JRR Tolkien was a HE (for those who keep referring to him as a she).

With all the emphasis on pronouns these days, does it really matter? He, She, It, Binary, Non-Binary, Breeding, Non-Breeding, etc,

Many people have gone through the procedures and expense of getting tattoos and piercings also, I haven't and won't.

Jumping through all those hoops must make you one of the most physically fit persons on earth!

And, btw, had you read LOTR, you'd know that it was an epic tale of the forces of good and evil in the world.  NO ONE mentioned it being anything close to the Bible.  Simply that JRR Tolken was a Christian.  And he most certainly was.  

Not having read the book, hardly puts anyone in a position to make any judgement on it, nor it's author.  It's obvious that you haven't so much as read a summation.

Right, you are free to read Adolf Hitler's book so you can put yourself in a 'position to judge'. While you're at it, you can step in that Cow pattie instead of avoiding it to put yourself in a position to 'judge' as to whether or not it's good to step in Cow manure or not. You can look at child porn if you choose so that you can 'judge' whether it's good or not. As for me, I'll stay away from all that garbage INCLUDING J.R.R. Tolken's trash. As I said, your obsession with my avoidance of trash is much more revealing of you than me.

JRR Tolkien's work is not trash nor does it share any resemblance with Hitler or child porn.  If you don't like fantasy that's fine, just say so, but don't go off into the ether making nonsense judgments or comparisons.  It's just silly.

Myself, I've never found anything in Tolkien's work that deserves that kind of judgement or ridicule.

What I'm saying is that he could have written another interpretation of the Bible that could have -- or does stand up to the yiddishness I abhor, at least. I have not read it. In fact, I don't read much of anything of the type. You can attack me for that, but you'd better be straight forward, and it would help if you're right.

Red Lily wrote:

RV wrote:

2cent wrote:

RV wrote:

Red Lily wrote:Most people enjoy a little fantasy in their lives and there's nothing wrong with that.  I like the LOTR movies but haven't read the books.
BTW JRR Tolkien was a HE (for those who keep referring to him as a she).

With all the emphasis on pronouns these days, does it really matter? He, She, It, Binary, Non-Binary, Breeding, Non-Breeding, etc,

Many people have gone through the procedures and expense of getting tattoos and piercings also, I haven't and won't.

Jumping through all those hoops must make you one of the most physically fit persons on earth!

And, btw, had you read LOTR, you'd know that it was an epic tale of the forces of good and evil in the world.  NO ONE mentioned it being anything close to the Bible.  Simply that JRR Tolken was a Christian.  And he most certainly was.  

Not having read the book, hardly puts anyone in a position to make any judgement on it, nor it's author.  It's obvious that you haven't so much as read a summation.

Right, you are free to read Adolf Hitler's book so you can put yourself in a 'position to judge'. While you're at it, you can step in that Cow pattie instead of avoiding it to put yourself in a position to 'judge' as to whether or not it's good to step in Cow manure or not. You can look at child porn if you choose so that you can 'judge' whether it's good or not. As for me, I'll stay away from all that garbage INCLUDING J.R.R. Tolken's trash. As I said, your obsession with my avoidance of trash is much more revealing of you than me.

JRR Tolkien's work is not trash nor does it share any resemblance with Hitler or child porn.  If you don't like fantasy that's fine, just say so, but don't go off into the ether making nonsense judgments or comparisons.  It's just silly.

"fantasy'? You mean that nothing in J.R.R. Tolkien's book is real? Hmmmm, just like evolution, global warming, masks, mandates, 'assault rifles' and other left wing ideologies. No, I do not agree that the books are 'fantasy' nor that the books aren't trash and in the same category as Adolf Hitler's book or child porn. Staying away from dangerous and radical ideologies may to some be, 'making judgements' but, as I said previously, I will stay away from such trash as I always have.

God uses whatever he wants for his own purposes.   If God can use  Tolkien's LOTR to be perceived as an allegory to Christ and Christianity then, (etc) I believe he can and will do it.   If others see a tie to Christ then that is what God intended.

Philippians 4:8
New International Version
8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

Calypso Jones wrote:Personally, i wonder if God did not inspire JRRTolkien's LOTR.   THAT and WW1 definitely in my opinion.     Tolkien i have read said himself that it is religious but not so at first but in the revision if I remember correctly.    

It's quite possible.  The book does compel a person to do a bit of thinking, when it comes to the forces of good and evil, and how it sometimes isn't so black and white.  Choosing, or sticking to your guns, isn't always easy.

The other lessons - Compassion and empathy.  Add to that, loyalty, friendship.  Oh, so very much.

Besides all that, it's simply a very enjoyable read! Fantastic, actually.