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Post by jirqoadai Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:48 pm

Calypso Jones wrote:North America and South America?
yes. theres latin inscriptions in some caves from His sormon on the mount speach. and in chile He was attacked by a mob until a great earthquake killed most of them. dig into CJ. you will be truly amazed. He circumnavigated the globe.
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Post by jirqoadai Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:34 pm

here CJ. Tunupa/Pachamama.
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Post by HawkTheSlayer Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:15 pm

He musta spent a lot of time in Mexico!

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Post by jirqoadai Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:28 pm

HawkTheSlayer wrote:He musta spent a lot of time in Mexico!
i believe he skipped mexico and the Aztec took his teachings to heart
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Post by HawkTheSlayer Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:30 pm

jirqoadai wrote:
HawkTheSlayer wrote:He musta spent a lot of time in Mexico!
i believe he skipped mexico and the Aztec took his teachings to heart

Well how come they got so many Jesus's in mehico?
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Post by jirqoadai Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:39 pm

i think He walked on water ALOT. prolly warmed his hands and feet when he crossed iceland, touched at Greenland, told the Cree to go to hell, walked along the beach from MA to Cape May, ducked west for a few weeks before popping back out near Port Royal SC, kept hoofing it to South Miami, walked over to cuba, visited every island on his way to venezuala, stayed along the coast and headed up the amazon.
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Post by vege57 Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:48 pm

Calypso Jones wrote:https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/flood-legends/flood-legends-americas-part-1/

Introduction
Do you know who the original inhabitants of the United States were? They are known as the First Nations peoples, and they include many tribes spread across this vast land—including the Cherokee, Navajo, Lakota, Delaware, Spokane, Apache, and so many more tribes.


Did you know that all of these tribes had historical traditions describing the great flood recorded in Genesis? Remarkably, traditions of this global flood have been among over 120 tribes from the continental United States—to say nothing of the rest of the world! Almost every tribe of which we have real historical data has a memory of the great flood.

Make no mistake: these traditions do not speak of a local flood or some generic flood story. They match the Noahic flood account on several specific details. There can be no doubt that they are referring to the flood of Noah, described in Genesis.

Amongst one hundred and twenty different tribes that I have visited in North and South and Central America, not a tribe exists that has not related to me distinct or vague traditions of such a calamity, in which one, or three, or eight persons were saved above the waters, on the top of a high mountain.

—George Catlin, early 19th-century explorer and painter
This expansive array of flood traditions, documented in my book Echoes of Ararat, is exactly what we would expect to find if the biblical account were true. This unequivocal body of evidence demands an explanation. It will be found that the only explanation that will do it justice is the truth of the Genesis record—in light of the sheer volume of these tribal traditions, their antiquity, and the specific details with which they match the Genesis account.


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Beginning in Arizona, the Hualapai possess ancient rock carvings at Spirit Mountain, long predating the arrival of Europeans, which recount the flood and depict eight survivors. They narrate the history thus: “Rains fell on the earth for 45 days. The rising waters wiped out all peoples with the lone exception of an old man atop Spirit Mountain.” Then a bird was sent out, and on its second flight it returned “with grass in its beak to inform the man that the waters had receded.”1 This remarkably matches what Genesis says: “again he [Noah] sent the dove out from the ark. Then the dove came to him in the evening, and behold, a freshly plucked olive leaf was in her mouth; and Noah knew that the waters had receded from the earth.” (Genesis 8:10-11)

The Havasupai, another tribe inhabiting the Grand Canyon area, said that one girl survived the flood inside a hollow, floating tree, which is their version of the ark. “In this hollow tree he [God] placed food and other necessities, and also made a lookout window.”2

The Tohono O’odham of Arizona told that Montezuma (their Noah) was forewarned “that the flood was coming to destroy all living things upon the earth.” Heeding this warning, he “built a boat, in which he survived the deluge,” and “his boat, on the subsidence of the waters, rested on the topmost summit of Santa Rosa.” They replace Noah’s raven and dove with a coyote.3 The Pima said the glood was warned about in advance, that one man survived on a floating ball of resin, and that they know the mountain where it landed.4

“The earth was rent in great chasms,” said the Hopi, when God sent the flood in his wrath. They replace the ark with hollow floating reeds, and they have a memory of the birds sent to see if the flood was ending.5 The Navajo attribute the flood to man’s sinning and spoke of a “reed of great size” as the floating vessel. “When they were all safely inside, the opening closed, and none too soon, for scarcely had it closed when they heard the loud noise of the surging waters outside.” They also retain a vague memory of Noah’s raven and dove.6 The Acagchemem of southern California commemorated the flood in their songs and have a memory of God’s promise to Noah, never again to destroy the world with a flood.7

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See the book Echoes of Ararat for more information on this subject.

The Cochiti, a pueblo people of New Mexico, told that a great boat was built and that “they began to load it with much corn and they took all the different animals into the boat with a white pigeon.” After the rains stopped, the chief said, “We will send the white pigeon to see if the earth is uncovered again.” The pigeon returned carrying a flower, taken as a sign that the flood was ending.8 “Once the whole world was flooded,” declared the Owens Valley Paiute. One man survived in a boat, in which he paddled around for a long time over the flooded earth.9

Kuterastan, the Noah of the Apache tribe, foresaw the flood and built a great vessel, which they called a “tus.” He sealed it with gum from the pinion tree, as with pitch. Those with him entered, and they sealed the vessel shut. “The flood completely submerged the earth for twelve days. Then the waters subsided, leaving the tus on the summit of the hill.” Two birds were sent out to survey the land when the flood ended. One account says seven people survived—one less than the biblical eight.10 We have found flood traditions from many other tribes of the southwest United States as well—some clearer and some vaguer. Yet even the vaguer ones show signs that they originated from the memory of Noah’s flood.

Then the dove came to him in the evening, and behold, a freshly plucked olive leaf was in her mouth; and Noah knew that the waters had receded from the earth. (Genesis 8:11)

"""Did you know that all of these tribes had historical traditions describing the great flood recorded in Genesis? Remarkably, traditions of this global flood have been among over 120 tribes from the continental United States—to say nothing of the rest of the world! Almost every tribe of which we have real historical data has a memory of the great flood.""

All that shows is that there have been a lot of floods over time , We know that it would have been physically impossible for Noah to load a pair of every animal into his tub,
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Post by jirqoadai Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:51 pm

maybe youll convert before Jesus comes agin
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Post by Lummy Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:52 am

Great thread, Calypso.

Seems to me that any place on earth showing layers of sedimentary rock hundreds or thousands of feet above the floor where the rivers flow, the people living there would have greatly desired/desire an explanation, which since it was not obvious and still isn't, lent to religion and "creation myths" as a matter of convenience, necessity and perhaps last resort, which isn't to say that they aren't all substantively correct.

They are, IMHO.
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Post by Lummy Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:05 pm

jirqoadai wrote:i think He walked on water ALOT. prolly warmed his hands and feet when he crossed iceland, touched at Greenland, told the Cree to go to hell, walked along the beach from MA to Cape May, ducked west for a few weeks before popping back out near Port Royal SC, kept hoofing it to South Miami, walked over to cuba, visited every island on his way to venezuala, stayed along the coast and headed up the amazon.

Why do you suppose Jesus would tell the Cree "to go to hell"?
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