The immediate response to Hamlin's collapse on the field

Needs to be said, and I HAVE SAID IT several times in the past.

He got immediate treatment.   That was wonderful.    But let's say you collapsed like he did, on the street.  or even right next to a hospital.  WOULD YOU get the same immediate response and treatment.  You know damn well you wouldn't.

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Not just because of the proximity of help needed..and he was LUCKY beyond words...but also because..you're nobody.

And nobody in this country gets the treatment and immediate response that these elites get...and i'm calling Hamlin an elite because HE IS.   So are entertainers, politicians OH YES ESPECIALLY POLITICIANS...and you're not.  You are not in that club.  

BUT the thing is...... YOU are not even getting the level of care that you might have been getting....5 years ago. and especially NOT TWO YEARS AGO.

That's sad because where I am YES you definitely WOULD get the same immediate response and treatment no matter who you are.  If it was any other way ...  I'd move.

People are not left to die in the street here just because they're not famous or a part the elite. It sounds like you live in China.

Red Lily wrote:That's sad because where I am YES you definitely WOULD get the same immediate response and treatment no matter who you are.  If it was any other way ...  I'd move.

People are not left to die in the street here just because they're not famous or a part the elite.  It sounds like you live in China.

That's bullshit. There are a LOT of variables of how long it takes to get rescue people in.

Let me tell you a little story. This happened in 2016, long before Fow Chee unleashed his witch's brew. I had just been laid off...I didn't know it would be permanent. So, one grey March morning, I went out to get my mail.

My apartment compound was dug into the side of a hill. Not the buildings - we were a triangular layout, surrounded by the driveway on all sides. Carports and spaces were on the outer ring; and the five apartment buildings were in the inner area. In the center was a grass courtyard.

On one side, the road ran alongside...down a hill, the hill that the site had been dug out of. This particular area, there was, the road, then a commercial building on the frontage, and then on one side (that building's parking area) was a wooden fence, and beyond, a drop to the roof of the long-row carport on that leg of the triangle.

Some kid came down that hill...too fast. There's a little bit of a turn there, on the crest of the hill. The kid lost it, bounced over the curb...nicked a phone pole...then through the fence and down onto the roof of the carport. He landed on a brand-new pickup truck another tenant had; bounced off that crushed truck, and then slid into a light pole next to the mailbox center. I had just walked by that space three seconds earlier.

He was bleeding a lot, and the few of us who saw it, couldn't get the car door open.

We called 911 right away...and it took them 14 MINUTES to get a meat wagon over to us. Can you imagine? There were several fire stations equidistant to us, but none were more than three minutes away.

Well, the kid lived, I guess...just surface wounds and contusions; but if he had been pierced...it would have been curtains.

That's not uncommon in the Woketard States of America, and especially today.

Casey Jones wrote:

Red Lily wrote:That's sad because where I am YES you definitely WOULD get the same immediate response and treatment no matter who you are.  If it was any other way ...  I'd move.

People are not left to die in the street here just because they're not famous or a part the elite.  It sounds like you live in China.

That's bullshit.  There are a LOT of variables of how long it takes to get rescue people in.

Let me tell you a little story.  This happened in 2016, long before Fow Chee unleashed his witch's brew.  I had just been laid off...I didn't know it would be permanent.  So, one grey March morning, I went out to get my mail.

My apartment compound was dug into the side of a hill.  Not the buildings - we were a triangular layout, surrounded by the driveway on all sides.  Carports and spaces were on the outer ring; and the five apartment buildings were in the inner area.  In the center was a grass courtyard.

On one side, the road ran alongside...down a hill, the hill that the site had been dug out of.  This particular area, there was, the road, then a commercial building on the frontage, and then on one side (that building's parking area) was a wooden fence, and beyond, a drop to the roof of the long-row carport on that leg of the triangle.

Some kid came down that hill...too fast. There's a little bit of a turn there, on the crest of the hill.  The kid lost it, bounced over the curb...nicked a phone pole...then through the fence and down onto the roof of the carport.  He landed on a brand-new pickup truck another tenant had; bounced off that crushed truck, and then slid into a light pole next to the mailbox center.  I had just walked by that space three seconds earlier.

He was bleeding a lot, and the few of us who saw it, couldn't get the car door open.

We called 911 right away...and it took them 14 MINUTES to get a meat wagon over to us.  Can you imagine?  There were several fire stations equidistant to us, but none were more than three minutes away.

Well, the kid lived, I guess...just surface wounds and contusions; but if he had been pierced...it would have been curtains.

That's not uncommon in the Woketard States of America, and especially today.

Firstly it's NOT bullshit where I am and we all have anecdotal tales for every situation and as you said there are many variables.  Sometimes shit happens and that's unfortunate but it isn't necessarily indicative of a system as a whole.  There could be many reasons why it took 14 minutes to get help.

But if you truly believe that normal Americans just get left to die on the street and receive nothing but sub-standard treatment as an every day occurrence (because they aren't famous or elite) I'd move to Mexico or Cuba where you might get better care    ...   or get therapy.

For the love of Pete, folks. You seriously believe that average citizens don't have H-VAC flying immediately to your site as soon as you dial 911, when in need?
Then you must live in some pretty crappy areas of the USA.

We live 45 minutes from the nearest hospital. A friend was having a heart attack. Called 911. Smartest move was for us to drive toward the ambulance, as they drove towards us. Met half way, and there it is. The guy lived.

Plenty of other anecdotes, but you'll never find me knocking the emergency system here.

I can tell you for a fact, we don't.

I'm in Montana, of course, but not out in the country.  Population 80,000.  And mostly well-paid, some politically connected.  The Washington Companies offices were exactly one mile from that wreck I described.  Dennis Washington is modern Montana - self-made, long ago, then got rich enough for crony connections to make him richer.  He just got $6 billion for selling Montana Rail Link to BNSF.

Now, if the call came out that it WAS Dennis Washington, or in the GOB (General Office Building, we called it the GOB) then yes, they'd have launched a medivac.

For the plebes, they send their same-day meat-wagon.

It is what it is.  And I doubt it's much different in many other places.

Red Lily wrote:That's sad because where I am YES you definitely WOULD get the same immediate response and treatment no matter who you are.  If it was any other way ...  I'd move.

People are not left to die in the street here just because they're not famous or a part the elite.  It sounds like you live in China.

In NZ you would be triaged over the phone and assessed , wouldn't matter who you were , and an ambulance dispatched, When I had my brain hemorrhage they were here very promptly and assessed me as having a stroke , they have a specialist paramedic unit to deal with these things, they got me stabilized and waited for the specialist team to turn up , No complaints

Red Lily wrote:

Casey Jones wrote:

Red Lily wrote:That's sad because where I am YES you definitely WOULD get the same immediate response and treatment no matter who you are.  If it was any other way ...  I'd move.

People are not left to die in the street here just because they're not famous or a part the elite.  It sounds like you live in China.

That's bullshit.  There are a LOT of variables of how long it takes to get rescue people in.

Let me tell you a little story.  This happened in 2016, long before Fow Chee unleashed his witch's brew.  I had just been laid off...I didn't know it would be permanent.  So, one grey March morning, I went out to get my mail.

My apartment compound was dug into the side of a hill.  Not the buildings - we were a triangular layout, surrounded by the driveway on all sides.  Carports and spaces were on the outer ring; and the five apartment buildings were in the inner area.  In the center was a grass courtyard.

On one side, the road ran alongside...down a hill, the hill that the site had been dug out of.  This particular area, there was, the road, then a commercial building on the frontage, and then on one side (that building's parking area) was a wooden fence, and beyond, a drop to the roof of the long-row carport on that leg of the triangle.

Some kid came down that hill...too fast. There's a little bit of a turn there, on the crest of the hill.  The kid lost it, bounced over the curb...nicked a phone pole...then through the fence and down onto the roof of the carport.  He landed on a brand-new pickup truck another tenant had; bounced off that crushed truck, and then slid into a light pole next to the mailbox center.  I had just walked by that space three seconds earlier.

He was bleeding a lot, and the few of us who saw it, couldn't get the car door open.

We called 911 right away...and it took them 14 MINUTES to get a meat wagon over to us.  Can you imagine?  There were several fire stations equidistant to us, but none were more than three minutes away.

Well, the kid lived, I guess...just surface wounds and contusions; but if he had been pierced...it would have been curtains.

That's not uncommon in the Woketard States of America, and especially today.

Firstly it's NOT bullshit where I am and we all have anecdotal tales for every situation and as you said there are many variables.  Sometimes shit happens and that's unfortunate but it isn't necessarily indicative of a system as a whole.  There could be many reasons why it took 14 minutes to get help.

But if you truly believe that normal Americans just get left to die on the street and receive nothing but sub-standard treatment as an every day occurrence (because they aren't famous or elite) I'd move to Mexico or Cuba where you might get better care    ...   or get therapy.

""or get therapy.""

Mental health ?

Lot of hostility tonight.

Or perhaps, leftover holiday spirits?

Casey Jones wrote:Lot of hostility tonight.

Or perhaps, leftover holiday spirits?

""Lot of hostility tonight.""

Only from the nutjobs lol