Unvaccinated deaths

Red Lily wrote:

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:I believe that of all.   There's a lot of misinformation out there based on figures taken out of context on both sides.

It's an individual choice imo and should stay that way.

I dont see a time when they will force the vaccine on people, there may just be some restriction of movement placed on the un-vaccinated,, Thats what personal choice is all about,,

No it's not.  Making it so the unvaccinated cannot go to work, have family in their home, go to a restaurant, have a drink, go shopping, travel etc is not giving people freedom of choice.  How can you possibly say that "no jab no job" is giving someone freedom of choice?

Get the vaxx if you are vulnerable, old, have underlying health conditions or just think it's right for you but don't pose restrictions on others.  If you're vaxxed you believe in it and therefore should be safe.  People with antibodies should definitely not be forced into vaccination.   That's just plain stupid.

I've been digging deep and reading a lot about both sides of the argument.  I avoid the hyped up sensationalism which takes off like a runaway train on both sides and try to get to the unbiased figures.  

If I do decide to get the vaxx (so I'm not made a prisoner in my own home) the only thing I know for sure is that I won't be preaching to others about what they should or should not do and I sure as Hell won't be backing up for boosters.

Oh and we should ALL be tested for antibodies before being jabbed.

Thom Paine wrote:

vege57 wrote:Plenty of info out there to corroborate the figures,  

What seems lacking within the data is tabulating and evaluating the number of Medicos who worked directly in the covid arena, sans inoculation, and have Not contracted Wuhan.  

Seems a strong case for natural immunity.  
Inoculation appears to be problematic to those with natural immunity.
Natural immunity does not require booster shots.  

jus' ponderin' here.

Great Kiwi day to ya' V

Calypso Jones wrote:You took one for the team?  LOLOL

Y'all don't know who is unvaxxed and who has natural immunity.  Seems to me the vaxxed want everyone to take it so that all of us suffer from the effects of the spike protein.   no.  thanks.

Calypso Jones wrote:I've had it. And have the antibodies.  Do ya know how they treat an alleged covid iin hospital.   They bill the feds.  You get nothing.

Sprintcyclist wrote:

vege57 wrote:

Calypso Jones wrote:no it is not.     You don't know what you've done.  Hell...the people that produced this stuff and advised you do not know what they've done.
 Well...actually they do but they don't if you get my drift.  

 They've made this stuff out of ingredients that seem not to be treating the problem.  If it were they would not be asking you to take a booster in six months.   They would not be proposing pills that you must take 2X a day after the vaxxine.  The red cross would be okay with your blood.  But they're not.  Many potential hospital patients are not okay with tainted blood.  Israel the most vaxxed country in the world would not be having 10 thou new cases a day...in the vaxxed.  

 Now come on..  you are an intelligent guy.    Doesn't any of this concern  you just a wee bit?

oh well.
Time will tell.    I hope it is not deadly.   But we won't know for awhile, will we.

A lot of what you pose there is gobbledygook and half truths  , I have no interest in trying to change your mind in these maters..

That is about my thinking with many people here regards covid.
I post medical facts. This is a fatally important topic.
Who knows, someone here may save their own life by taking a vaccine against a pandemic.

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:I believe that of all.   There's a lot of misinformation out there based on figures taken out of context on both sides.

It's an individual choice imo and should stay that way.

I dont see a time when they will force the vaccine on people, there may just be some restriction of movement placed on the un-vaccinated,, Thats what personal choice is all about,,

No it's not.  Making it so the unvaccinated cannot go to work, have family in their home, go to a restaurant, have a drink, go shopping, travel etc is not giving people freedom of choice.  How can you possibly say that "no jab no job" is giving someone freedom of choice?

Get the vaxx if you are vulnerable, old, have underlying health conditions or just think it's right for you but don't pose restrictions on others.  If you're vaxxed you believe in it and therefore should be safe.  People with antibodies should definitely not be forced into vaccination.   That's just plain stupid.

I've been digging deep and reading a lot about both sides of the argument.  I avoid the hyped up sensationalism which takes off like a runaway train on both sides and try to get to the unbiased figures.  

If I do decide to get the vaxx (so I'm not made a prisoner in my own home) the only thing I know for sure is that I won't be preaching to others about what they should or should not do and I sure as Hell won't be backing up for boosters.

Oh and we should ALL be tested for antibodies before being jabbed.

""No it's not.  Making it so the unvaccinated cannot go to work,""


I choose to take one for the team and if people don want to thats there prerogative. But they cant expect to wander around putting others at risk

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:

vege57 wrote:

I dont see a time when they will force the vaccine on people, there may just be some restriction of movement placed on the un-vaccinated,, Thats what personal choice is all about,,

No it's not.  Making it so the unvaccinated cannot go to work, have family in their home, go to a restaurant, have a drink, go shopping, travel etc is not giving people freedom of choice.  How can you possibly say that "no jab no job" is giving someone freedom of choice?

Get the vaxx if you are vulnerable, old, have underlying health conditions or just think it's right for you but don't pose restrictions on others.  If you're vaxxed you believe in it and therefore should be safe.  People with antibodies should definitely not be forced into vaccination.   That's just plain stupid.

I've been digging deep and reading a lot about both sides of the argument.  I avoid the hyped up sensationalism which takes off like a runaway train on both sides and try to get to the unbiased figures.  

If I do decide to get the vaxx (so I'm not made a prisoner in my own home) the only thing I know for sure is that I won't be preaching to others about what they should or should not do and I sure as Hell won't be backing up for boosters.

Oh and we should ALL be tested for antibodies before being jabbed.

""No it's not.  Making it so the unvaccinated cannot go to work,""


I choose to take one for the team and if people don want to thats there prerogative. But they cant expect to wander around putting others at risk

The vaccinated are still susceptible to the virus and still catch it and still spread just as readily as the unvaccinated so that's not really a substantive argument.

If workers are put out of a job because they are unvaccinated what about customers?   Are they going to demand every customer they serve and/or come into contact with is vaccinated?  

It's just not a viable scenario.

Over 90% of deaths in the states are unvaccinted , but vaccinated people can still get ill from it. And covid will move through the unvaccinted populations more freely. they will become the incubators