Unvaccinated deaths

Red Lily wrote:

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:I believe that of all.   There's a lot of misinformation out there based on figures taken out of context on both sides.

It's an individual choice imo and should stay that way.

I dont see a time when they will force the vaccine on people, there may just be some restriction of movement placed on the un-vaccinated,, Thats what personal choice is all about,,

No it's not.  Making it so the unvaccinated cannot go to work, have family in their home, go to a restaurant, have a drink, go shopping, travel etc is not giving people freedom of choice.  How can you possibly say that "no jab no job" is giving someone freedom of choice?

Get the vaxx if you are vulnerable, old, have underlying health conditions or just think it's right for you but don't pose restrictions on others.  If you're vaxxed you believe in it and therefore should be safe.  People with antibodies should definitely not be forced into vaccination.   That's just plain stupid.

I've been digging deep and reading a lot about both sides of the argument.  I avoid the hyped up sensationalism which takes off like a runaway train on both sides and try to get to the unbiased figures.  

If I do decide to get the vaxx (so I'm not made a prisoner in my own home) the only thing I know for sure is that I won't be preaching to others about what they should or should not do and I sure as Hell won't be backing up for boosters.

Oh and we should ALL be tested for antibodies before being jabbed.

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:I believe that of all.   There's a lot of misinformation out there based on figures taken out of context on both sides.

It's an individual choice imo and should stay that way.

I dont see a time when they will force the vaccine on people, there may just be some restriction of movement placed on the un-vaccinated,, Thats what personal choice is all about,,

No it's not.  Making it so the unvaccinated cannot go to work, have family in their home, go to a restaurant, have a drink, go shopping, travel etc is not giving people freedom of choice.  How can you possibly say that "no jab no job" is giving someone freedom of choice?

Get the vaxx if you are vulnerable, old, have underlying health conditions or just think it's right for you but don't pose restrictions on others.  If you're vaxxed you believe in it and therefore should be safe.  People with antibodies should definitely not be forced into vaccination.   That's just plain stupid.

I've been digging deep and reading a lot about both sides of the argument.  I avoid the hyped up sensationalism which takes off like a runaway train on both sides and try to get to the unbiased figures.  

If I do decide to get the vaxx (so I'm not made a prisoner in my own home) the only thing I know for sure is that I won't be preaching to others about what they should or should not do and I sure as Hell won't be backing up for boosters.

Oh and we should ALL be tested for antibodies before being jabbed.

""No it's not.  Making it so the unvaccinated cannot go to work,""


I choose to take one for the team and if people don want to thats there prerogative. But they cant expect to wander around putting others at risk

Red Lily wrote:

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:I believe that of all.   There's a lot of misinformation out there based on figures taken out of context on both sides.

It's an individual choice imo and should stay that way.

I dont see a time when they will force the vaccine on people, there may just be some restriction of movement placed on the un-vaccinated,, Thats what personal choice is all about,,

No it's not.  Making it so the unvaccinated cannot go to work, have family in their home, go to a restaurant, have a drink, go shopping, travel etc is not giving people freedom of choice.  How can you possibly say that "no jab no job" is giving someone freedom of choice?

Get the vaxx if you are vulnerable, old, have underlying health conditions or just think it's right for you but don't pose restrictions on others.  If you're vaxxed you believe in it and therefore should be safe.  People with antibodies should definitely not be forced into vaccination.   That's just plain stupid.

I've been digging deep and reading a lot about both sides of the argument.  I avoid the hyped up sensationalism which takes off like a runaway train on both sides and try to get to the unbiased figures.  

If I do decide to get the vaxx (so I'm not made a prisoner in my own home) the only thing I know for sure is that I won't be preaching to others about what they should or should not do and I sure as Hell won't be backing up for boosters.

Oh and we should ALL be tested for antibodies before being jabbed.

""No it's not.  Making it so the unvaccinated cannot go to work,""


I choose to take one for the team and if people don want to thats there prerogative. But they cant expect to wander around putting others at risk

The vaccinated are still susceptible to the virus and still catch it and still spread just as readily as the unvaccinated so that's not really a substantive argument.

If workers are put out of a job because they are unvaccinated what about customers?   Are they going to demand every customer they serve and/or come into contact with is vaccinated?  

It's just not a viable scenario.

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:I believe that of all.   There's a lot of misinformation out there based on figures taken out of context on both sides.

It's an individual choice imo and should stay that way.

I dont see a time when they will force the vaccine on people, there may just be some restriction of movement placed on the un-vaccinated,, Thats what personal choice is all about,,

No it's not.  Making it so the unvaccinated cannot go to work, have family in their home, go to a restaurant, have a drink, go shopping, travel etc is not giving people freedom of choice.  How can you possibly say that "no jab no job" is giving someone freedom of choice?

Get the vaxx if you are vulnerable, old, have underlying health conditions or just think it's right for you but don't pose restrictions on others.  If you're vaxxed you believe in it and therefore should be safe.  People with antibodies should definitely not be forced into vaccination.   That's just plain stupid.

I've been digging deep and reading a lot about both sides of the argument.  I avoid the hyped up sensationalism which takes off like a runaway train on both sides and try to get to the unbiased figures.  

If I do decide to get the vaxx (so I'm not made a prisoner in my own home) the only thing I know for sure is that I won't be preaching to others about what they should or should not do and I sure as Hell won't be backing up for boosters.

Oh and we should ALL be tested for antibodies before being jabbed.

""No it's not.  Making it so the unvaccinated cannot go to work,""


I choose to take one for the team and if people don want to thats there prerogative. But they cant expect to wander around putting others at risk

The vaccinated are still susceptible to the virus and still catch it and still spread just as readily as the unvaccinated so that's not really a substantive argument.

If workers are put out of a job because they are unvaccinated what about customers?   Are they going to demand every customer they serve and/or come into contact with is vaccinated?  

It's just not a viable scenario.

Over 90% of deaths in the states are unvaccinted , but vaccinated people can still get ill from it. And covid will move through the unvaccinted populations more freely. they will become the incubators

Red Lily wrote:

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:

No it's not.  Making it so the unvaccinated cannot go to work, have family in their home, go to a restaurant, have a drink, go shopping, travel etc is not giving people freedom of choice.  How can you possibly say that "no jab no job" is giving someone freedom of choice?

Get the vaxx if you are vulnerable, old, have underlying health conditions or just think it's right for you but don't pose restrictions on others.  If you're vaxxed you believe in it and therefore should be safe.  People with antibodies should definitely not be forced into vaccination.   That's just plain stupid.

I've been digging deep and reading a lot about both sides of the argument.  I avoid the hyped up sensationalism which takes off like a runaway train on both sides and try to get to the unbiased figures.  

If I do decide to get the vaxx (so I'm not made a prisoner in my own home) the only thing I know for sure is that I won't be preaching to others about what they should or should not do and I sure as Hell won't be backing up for boosters.

Oh and we should ALL be tested for antibodies before being jabbed.

""No it's not.  Making it so the unvaccinated cannot go to work,""


I choose to take one for the team and if people don want to thats there prerogative. But they cant expect to wander around putting others at risk

The vaccinated are still susceptible to the virus and still catch it and still spread just as readily as the unvaccinated so that's not really a substantive argument.

If workers are put out of a job because they are unvaccinated what about customers?   Are they going to demand every customer they serve and/or come into contact with is vaccinated?  

It's just not a viable scenario.

Over 90% of deaths in the states are unvaccinted , but vaccinated people can still get ill from it. And covid will move through the unvaccinted populations more freely. they will become the incubators

That claim is somewhat dodgy!

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:

No it's not.  Making it so the unvaccinated cannot go to work, have family in their home, go to a restaurant, have a drink, go shopping, travel etc is not giving people freedom of choice.  How can you possibly say that "no jab no job" is giving someone freedom of choice?

Get the vaxx if you are vulnerable, old, have underlying health conditions or just think it's right for you but don't pose restrictions on others.  If you're vaxxed you believe in it and therefore should be safe.  People with antibodies should definitely not be forced into vaccination.   That's just plain stupid.

I've been digging deep and reading a lot about both sides of the argument.  I avoid the hyped up sensationalism which takes off like a runaway train on both sides and try to get to the unbiased figures.  

If I do decide to get the vaxx (so I'm not made a prisoner in my own home) the only thing I know for sure is that I won't be preaching to others about what they should or should not do and I sure as Hell won't be backing up for boosters.

Oh and we should ALL be tested for antibodies before being jabbed.

""No it's not.  Making it so the unvaccinated cannot go to work,""


I choose to take one for the team and if people don want to thats there prerogative. But they cant expect to wander around putting others at risk

The vaccinated are still susceptible to the virus and still catch it and still spread just as readily as the unvaccinated so that's not really a substantive argument.

If workers are put out of a job because they are unvaccinated what about customers?   Are they going to demand every customer they serve and/or come into contact with is vaccinated?  

It's just not a viable scenario.

Over 90% of deaths in the states are unvaccinted , but vaccinated people can still get ill from it. And covid will move through the unvaccinted populations more freely. they will become the incubators

That claim is somewhat dodgy!

I dont believe so. What part in particular do you take issue with ?

Red Lily wrote:

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:

vege57 wrote:

Red Lily wrote:

The vaccinated are still susceptible to the virus and still catch it and still spread just as readily as the unvaccinated so that's not really a substantive argument.

If workers are put out of a job because they are unvaccinated what about customers?   Are they going to demand every customer they serve and/or come into contact with is vaccinated?  

It's just not a viable scenario.

Over 90% of deaths in the states are unvaccinted , but vaccinated people can still get ill from it. And covid will move through the unvaccinted populations more freely. they will become the incubators

That claim is somewhat dodgy!

I dont believe so. What part in particular do you take issue with ?

The part where that figure was arrived at by using incomplete data from only 6 states.

It could very well be true but people should not be bullied into making a decision based on fearmongering and scare tactics which takes away the likelihood of an informed personal choice.