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Post by Leon Xiv Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:26 am

You can use this thread as a dumping ground for threads and articles about "ponerology", otherwise known as the science of evil. Hopefully we will be able to see the sociopaths and narcissists around us and figure out how and why they became indoctrinated to be as such. Though we can see the modern education system as being a cause.

Ponerology: The Science of Evil
http://www.systemsthinker.com/interests/ponerology/

Ponerology, the science of evil, rooted in secret investigations, objectively studies how evil deceptively spreads destruction, waste, neglect & suffering, taking over systems & how to oppose abuse, heal victims & develop healthy, sustainable systems immune to evil.

Political Ponerology: Evil is a Disease
http://ponerology.com
https://www.serendipity.li/bush/ponerology_preview.pdf

Political Ponerology is a study of the founders and supporters of oppressive political regimes. It is shocking in its clinically spare descriptions of the true nature of evil. It is poignant in its more literary passages revealing the immense suffering experienced by the researchers contaminated or destroyed by the disease they were studying.

A Modern Manifestation of Absolute Evil
http://www.raherrmann.com/bailey.htm

A simple search of 'ponerology' will get you plenty of results.

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Post by Leon Xiv Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:38 pm

Although not ponerology, the wetiko mindset does run rather complimentary to it.
Covid-19 is a a Symbol of a Much Deeper Infection - The Wetiko Mind-Virus

https://www.awakeninthedream.com/articles/covid-19-wetiko

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Post by Lummy Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:29 pm

Leon Xiv wrote:Although not ponerology, the wetiko mindset does run rather complimentary to it.
Covid-19 is a a Symbol of a Much Deeper Infection - The Wetiko Mind-Virus

https://www.awakeninthedream.com/articles/covid-19-wetiko

The "Wetiko Mind Virus? Is that the infection that brings bioweapons research?
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Post by Leon Xiv Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:05 pm

No, think of Wetiko as a psychological germ that causes a psychological virus and is spread by psychological means.
Covid would be a prime example.

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Post by Calypso Jones Fri Sep 01, 2023 10:39 am

how did the term ponerology come about?

from link:

Ponerology is, in short, a scientific discipline devoted to the study of evil. Its name stems from poneros, the Greek word for evil. It aims to apply the methodology and epistemology of science – especially drawing from fields such as biology, medicine and psychology – to:
Discover the general laws of the genesis of evil, also known as ponerogenesis, at all levels of human systems – from the family, group and societal levels to the national and global levels

Develop the proper categories and working vocabulary to technically name and explain the factors involved in that process

Potentially develop ways to slow, prevent or neutralize ponerogenesis
In other words, rather than simply accepting that evil inevitably emerges via supernatural or inexplicable means, ponerology employs the scientific method to persistently ask about and increasingly describe where evil really comes from, the various elements, roles, tactics and contexts involved in the stages of its arising and how we might limit its detrimental impact on our world.

Ponerology has been described as follows:

“In the author’s opinion, Ponerology reveals itself to be a new branch of science born out of historical need and the most recent accomplishments of medicine and psychology. In the light of objective naturalistic language, it studies the causal components and processes of the genesis of evil, regardless of the latter’s social scope.”

“…a new scientific discipline which would study evil, discovering its factors of genesis, insufficiently understood properties, and weak spots, thereby outlining new possibilities to counteract the origin of human suffering.”

These descriptions come from the work most directly associated with the field of ponerology and most often credited with popularizing the term. It is a book that I was lucky enough to come across almost immediately after discovering the word ponerology for the first time - one whose preface makes the bold claim that “The book you hold in your hand may be the most important book you will ever read; in fact, it will be”…and arguably provides a perspective important enough to back it up.

That book is Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes by Andrew M. Lobaczewski (aka Andrzej M. Lobaczewski).


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Post by Calypso Jones Fri Sep 01, 2023 10:42 am

from the link.

https://www.systemsthinker.com/interests/ponerology/



As those with malicious intent increasingly employ the insight and fruits of science to exploit newly created or discovered weak spots in our social and ecological systems, it is more desperately important than ever that we who value health and sustainability keep pace by at least attempting to employ its tools and techniques just as vigorously in defense of ourselves and those we care about. We must apply the power of that same science that enables technological advancement toward achieving a similar level of advancement in our understanding of why and how destructive evil acts continue to take place. This includes the pursuit of ethics as a science in order to ensure that, as we consider matters that are responsible for such vast suffering, we are not unnecessarily laboring under flawed conceptions and assumptions and, as a result, responding in ways that are ineffective or that even make situations worse.
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Post by Calypso Jones Fri Sep 01, 2023 10:48 am

Calypso Jones wrote:how did the term ponerology come about?

from link:

Ponerology is, in short, a scientific discipline devoted to the study of evil. Its name stems from poneros, the Greek word for evil. It aims to apply the methodology and epistemology of science – especially drawing from fields such as biology, medicine and psychology – to:
Discover the general laws of the genesis of evil, also known as ponerogenesis, at all levels of human systems – from the family, group and societal levels to the national and global levels

Develop the proper categories and working vocabulary to technically name and explain the factors involved in that process

Potentially develop ways to slow, prevent or neutralize ponerogenesis
In other words, rather than simply accepting that evil inevitably emerges via supernatural or inexplicable means, ponerology employs the scientific method to persistently ask about and increasingly describe where evil really comes from, the various elements, roles, tactics and contexts involved in the stages of its arising and how we might limit its detrimental impact on our world.

Ponerology has been described as follows:

“In the author’s opinion, Ponerology reveals itself to be a new branch of science born out of historical need and the most recent accomplishments of medicine and psychology. In the light of objective naturalistic language, it studies the causal components and processes of the genesis of evil, regardless of the latter’s social scope.”

“…a new scientific discipline which would study evil, discovering its factors of genesis, insufficiently understood properties, and weak spots, thereby outlining new possibilities to counteract the origin of human suffering.”

These descriptions come from the work most directly associated with the field of ponerology and most often credited with popularizing the term. It is a book that I was lucky enough to come across almost immediately after discovering the word ponerology for the first time - one whose preface makes the bold claim that “The book you hold in your hand may be the most important book you will ever read; in fact, it will be”…and arguably provides a perspective important enough to back it up.

That book is Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes by Andrew M. Lobaczewski (aka Andrzej M. Lobaczewski).

well let me think here. GOd explains what evil is and i don't know that man has the intelligence or wherewithall to handle it or dismantle it themselves. Even if man does put all kinds of fancy names to it and pretend he can handle it. It cannot BE handled.
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Post by Calypso Jones Fri Sep 01, 2023 10:49 am

@Leon Xiv What are your thoughts on this?
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Post by Leon Xiv Sun Sep 03, 2023 1:33 pm

Calypso Jones wrote:@Leon Xiv   What are your thoughts on this?
Just offhand I would say that people have different definitions of "evil" and define it according to, or what is convenient for them to believe.
Myself, I would define evil to be the opposition to God and its order, hence we see people continuously trying to rework or 'hack' the original program/order.
What people do isnt pure evil per se but rather wickedness, a type of self serving nihilism - or destroying for the sake of destroying with fringe benefits.
Do I think that some of these people are on board with team Lucifer? Maybe some, but I suspect they are largely with team Moloch.
Remember that Moloch is female and Lucifer is male, and both contest the title of the Satan, does that reflect what we are seeing at the moment?
Uppity 'women' with their grrrrl power rants...?

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Post by Sprintcyclist Sun Sep 03, 2023 3:57 pm

A new conspiracy theory to add to the numerous obsessions here

.......... Political ponerology is a concept popularized by Polish psychiatrist Andrzej Łobaczewski.[1] Łobaczewski advocated using the fields of psychology, sociology, philosophy, and history to account for such phenomena as aggressive war, ethnic cleansing, genocide, and despotism. .......

It studies the cause of bad actions, wars etc. And bad people, putin, etc
It does not support such things.

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