Green new deal Solar panels.....nightmare

maybe you can destroy the green new deal with 6 words.

they are:   Solar panels do not work at night.

https://lidblog.com/solar-panels/


toxic chemical waste.   landfills do not want them.  they're no good in 25 years.  People will learn.  Another stupid idea by the left.

by Dr. Joel S. Holmes (with some revisions by Jeff Dunetz)

Joe Biden is polluting the world with massive air flights for him and a load of his climate staff (including John Kerry, who, by the way, served in Vietnam), jaunting off to the world climate summit in Glasgow, Scotland next month.

But much of what leftist Democrats are doing in promoting the Climate Change false religion and alternate energy can be easily negated. Yes, we can win the battle.

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Yes, the battle against the insane electric car policy and the whole Green New Deal can be won, using just three little words.

Well, to be exact six words, and here they are:

Solar Panels Don’t Work At Night
As an alternative energy engineer, I had the misfortune to work with solar electric panels occasionally. They are an environmental nightmare.

First of all, after 25 years of use, they become unrecyclable toxic waste.

That’s right, they stop working after 25 years or less. And what is left is a hunk of toxic metals embedded in glass that can not be recycled.


First of all, dear friends, what are we going to do with the millions and millions of solar panels after they stop working? There will literally be mountains of them.

Secondly, they are hazardous waste, highly toxic. Mountains of toxins.

Thirdly, the land on which they were placed is no longer suitable for agriculture. Or for people to live on. Toxins from the solar panels and the associated mechanical and electric equipment will have leached into the soil for 25 years.

Thus, when more farmland is needed to grow food, the massive areas covered by solar panels are not a candidate.

solar panels


And still, there is more information to crush the leftist Democrats’ climate lies. More for our arsenal in the fight for truth, to stop policies that will destroy the American economy and reduce Americans into poverty-driven socialism

If it is true that CO2 is a danger to the planet (which it isn’t), then consider this. Making a solar electric panel produces more CO2 than the panel will ever save.

And it’s also a sword of truth that solar electric panels are made in China. Made in factories using huge amounts of high heat in production. And these are powered by coal-fired electric generating plants.

Solar electric panels are basically created by fossil fuels. And as mentioned, their preparation produces more CO2 than they will ever save.

Plus, the Democratic Party leftists are sending billions of dollars to China who takes that money, and invests in new ways to take over the world.. Speak the truth about this, and we can win.

Now we are ready for the six little words to be put in the catapult and fired at the Green New Deal.

And let’s take the trendy topic of electric cars.

Even Elon Musk, who basically created the electric vehicle industry, has made it clear. When large numbers of cars move from petrochemical power to electric power, there will not be enough electricity available to power them.

And here is where the six little words come into force. They are a battering ram, and a sword in the fight against Green New Steal lies:

Solar Panels Don’t Work At Night

In fact, they don’t work when it’s snowing, raining, or cloudy either. The truth is that solar panels don’t work very much at all. But let’s focus on this idea. They do not work when it’s dark.

Generally, cars are driven mainly during the day. And electric cars are no different. However, there is an extra step with those admittedly cute electric vehicles: driven in the day, charged up at night.

Live in an apartment building? Can you imagine everyone trying to charge their cars during the evening? Hundreds of people from one building.

And the suburbs are in an even worse situation. The electric grid structure for a suburban street one block long can charge at most 5 cars at a time. But the demand will be for many times that number.

You guessed it, damage to the grid system will occur. Blackouts, here we come.

Let us shout it from the rooftops, solar panels are called “Solar” for a reason.

For that same reason, they also have another name, “Photovoltaic Panels.” “Photo” means light and is derived from photons of light from the sun.

With no solar input, no photons, the solar panels just sit there and don’t produce electricity. But isn’t that just when the electric car owners need the power?

Even worse, when there is some sun during the day, there are only two or three peak hours in which the sunlight provides optimal power. For some hours before and some hours after the strongest sunlight, the panels do not have optimal energy input from the sun for the rest of the day.

Even worse is that as the panels age, they lose the little efficiency they have when new from the Chinese factory.
And could there be still worse news about solar electric panels?

If you live in a state where it snows during the winter, you can expect the massive solar electric farms in your state to look like this:

solar panels

We are in a war and not just a battle of ideas. It’s a war against a false religion of Climate Change and Global Warming.

To win the war, destroying their false religion with irrefutable facts that everyone can recognize is true is part of the battle. Just remember these six little words:

Solar Panels Don’t Work At Night
Cross-posted with Conservative Firing Line

Maybe I'm being selfish, but I'm tired of hearing what someone thinks we are doing to the environment. They look at the pollution of a technology, but don't consider the benefit or the ability of the Earth to clean up that pollution. We have scientists bloviating about cow farts while the cows are surrounded by green pastures and trees that negate their "pollution". I'm not promoting smog belching smokestacks or chemical waste running into nearby water resources because we have seen the LOCAL effect of that. I'm talking about broad based claims that we are destroying the planet unless we yield to environmentalists and fork over huge amounts of cash to their environmental religion. I remember the smog 40 years ago. It's no longer a problem here. You have to look at places like china for that.

Solar, like any technology, has it's place and wouldn't be around if it wasn't useful to somebody. You can argue that solar panels can't be recycled and are an environmental hazard, but who's to say that in 25 years there won't be a cheap way to recycle them and a market for them?

Solar is only good during the day. This is true and that makes energy storage a huge obstacle for using solar in mass public generation. For personal use at the source of solar panels, they make much more sense. Solar can be used in grid intertied systems to relieve peak demand in warmer climates. Net metering can eliminate the personal need to store energy at all.

This makes the free market and preferred use of technology more practical. If coal generators, solar panels, wind generators, or nuclear power have their benefits then they will find their niche and prosper.

These people putting solar panels up, if i understand my friend who works for an electric company, are getig subsidies which are paid for by the other customers in that electric company. I don't know that that is fair. I mean. I know life isn't far but electric company rates...aren't they the same for everyone and i am supposedly only paying for mine? which in this case, i'm not. i'm paying for theirs too.

and you're right @Casey Jones. The earth does clean up ecological 'disasters'. It's perfetly capable. The envirowhackjobs don't want us knowing that.

Please remain calm.  The Earth can and WILL heal itself.

Calypso Jones wrote:These people putting solar panels up, if i understand my friend who works for an electric company, are getig subsidies which are paid for by the other customers in that electric company.    I don't know that that is fair.  I mean. I know life isn't far but electric company rates...aren't they the same for everyone and i am supposedly only paying for mine?  which in this case, i'm not. i'm paying for theirs too.  

That's why I'm against subsidies and penalties on technologies.  The free market is always the best way to allow competing technologies to compete.  That's not to say that I won't take advantage of subsidies when I install solar, just that I won't vote for them.  I pay so much in taxes that I have no problem taking advantage of the system when it works in my favor.  

Calypso Jones wrote:

Please remain calm.  The Earth can and WILL heal itself.

If we give it the space and time to, yes.
If we stop hurting it, yes.

A lot of farmers are going solar, and saving boo-koos amount of money.  About 6 panels along the southern side of a field takes care of a good deal of irrigation, and I forget what all they used them for.  (Wish I'd saved the article.)

Like most, I'd far prefer the business be 100% market driven, but like Crusader, if I were to put in panels for my home, you can be assured I take advantage of the subsidies.  
Does it still take 10 years to start seeing a return on your investment?  

And, jftr, they do work at night.  Off the energy stored in the batteries.

And I with you, too, Crusader, when it comes to people whining - hear hysterically - over the environment. We were put here to be good stewards, not stupid ones.

2cent wrote:A lot of farmers are going solar, and saving boo-koos amount of money.  About 6 panels along the southern side of a field takes care of a good deal of irrigation, and I forget what all they used them for.  (Wish I'd saved the article.)

Like most, I'd far prefer the business be 100% market driven, but like Crusader, if I were to put in panels for my home, you can be assured I take advantage of the subsidies.  
Does it still take 10 years to start seeing a return on your investment?  

And, jftr, they do work at night.  Off the energy stored in the batteries.

And I with you, too, Crusader, when it comes to people whining - hear hysterically - over the environment.  We were put here to be good stewards, not stupid ones.

A coworker of mine bought the panels and inverters from a provider in East TX.  After the federal subsidies, it cost him about $11k.  9kw of solar panels and 3 5kw inverters.  He installed everything himself and paid ($200) an electrician friend to sign off on the installation for the federal subsidy.  He has a 2400 sf house, 2400 sf shop, and an in ground swimming pool with the pump running most of the time.  After the first year of solar power, his bill for the entire year was $67.  He figures he will get his ROI at about the 3 year mark.  He doesn't use batteries.  He uses net metering where the electric provider allows his electric meter to run both ways and they settle up the difference at the end of the year.  "Solar Companies" will try to sell you a system for $40k where they will install it for you and you pay it out to them.  Not worth it.  The 2020 NEC (Article 690) now covers solar power for residential construction.  Any competent electrician should be able to install solar for much less than the high pressure "solar installation" companies will.

I'm eager to do this next year.  I plan to build a place that is almost exactly half the size of his.  I should be able to put it all solar in for well under $10k, unless I decide to go completely off grid.  I'm also looking at installing mini-split AC systems with a 20+ SEER, all LED lighting, efficient appliances, and closed cell spray foam insulation.  It should be very efficient and cheap once built.

Crusader wrote:

2cent wrote:A lot of farmers are going solar, and saving boo-koos amount of money.  About 6 panels along the southern side of a field takes care of a good deal of irrigation, and I forget what all they used them for.  (Wish I'd saved the article.)

Like most, I'd far prefer the business be 100% market driven, but like Crusader, if I were to put in panels for my home, you can be assured I take advantage of the subsidies.  
Does it still take 10 years to start seeing a return on your investment?  

And, jftr, they do work at night.  Off the energy stored in the batteries.

And I with you, too, Crusader, when it comes to people whining - hear hysterically - over the environment.  We were put here to be good stewards, not stupid ones.

A coworker of mine bought the panels and inverters from a provider in East TX.  After the federal subsidies, it cost him about $11k.  9kw of solar panels and 3 5kw inverters.  He installed everything himself and paid ($200) an electrician friend to sign off on the installation for the federal subsidy.  He has a 2400 sf house, 2400 sf shop, and an in ground swimming pool with the pump running most of the time.  After the first year of solar power, his bill for the entire year was $67.  He figures he will get his ROI at about the 3 year mark.  He doesn't use batteries.  He uses net metering where the electric provider allows his electric meter to run both ways and they settle up the difference at the end of the year.  "Solar Companies" will try to sell you a system for $40k where they will install it for you and you pay it out to them.  Not worth it.  The 2020 NEC (Article 690) now covers solar power for residential construction.  Any competent electrician should be able to install solar for much less than the high pressure "solar installation" companies will.

I'm eager to do this next year.  I plan to build a place that is almost exactly half the size of his.  I should be able to put it all solar in for well under $10k, unless I decide to go completely off grid.  I'm also looking at installing mini-split AC systems with a 20+ SEER, all LED lighting, efficient appliances, and closed cell spray foam insulation.  It should be very efficient and cheap once built.

My ex's nephew has a a - what appears to be successful - solar business.  I know he'd do us right, but I'm not interested in having that installed in this house.  Maybe if we built new, but I don't see that happening, either.
Wish I could get the lowdown from him on the cost, etc., in these parts/from his business.  (He's the guy who built the solar powered pontoon boat.)

I like your house plans.  (Not the blue tile, though. lol j/k.)

All of which isn't to say that don't hear what CJ's saying about the greenie phonies shoving solar down our throats, whether we like it or not. Nobody should be paying for somebody else's CARBON FOOTPRINT (lol), and solar ain't exactly what you might call "clean energy."