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Post by Leon Xiv Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:39 am

I believe in God and will push arguments to prove its existance, I got this from...
https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/cumulative-evidence-and-the-case-for-gods-existence-free-bible-insert/

(1) The Temporal Nature of the Cosmos (Cosmological)
(a) The Universe began to exist
(b) Anything that begins to exist must have a cause
(c) Therefore, the Universe must have a cause
(d) This cause must be eternal (uncaused), non-spatial, immaterial, atemporal, and personal (having the ability to willfully cause the beginning of the universe)
(e) The cause fits the description we typically assign to God

(2) The Appearance of Design (Teleological)
(a) Human artifacts (like watches) are products of intelligent design
(b) Many aspects and elements of our universe resemble human artifacts
(c) Like effects typically have like causes
(d) Therefore, it is highly probable the appearance of design in the Universe is simply the reflection of an intelligent designer
(d) Given the complexity and expansive nature of the Universe, this designer must be incredibly intelligent and powerful (God)

(3) The Existence of Objective Moral Truth (Axiological)
(a) There is an objective (transcendent) moral law
(b) Every law has a law giver
(c) Therefore, there is an objective (transcendent) moral law giver
(d) The best explanation for this objective (transcendent) law giver is God

(4) The Existence of Absolute Laws of Logic (Transcendent)
(a) The laws of logic exist

i. The laws of logic are conceptual laws
ii. The laws of logic are transcendent
iii. The laws of logic pre-existed humans

(b) All conceptual laws reflect the mind of a law giver
(c) The best and most reasonable explanation for the kind of mind necessary for the existence of the transcendent, objective, conceptual laws of logic is a transcendent, objective, eternal Being (God)

(5) The Unique Nature of Our World and Universe (Anthropic)
(a) Our universe appears uniquely designed so:

i. Life can exist
ii. This same life can examine the universe

(b) This unique design cannot be the result of random chance or unguided probabilities
(c) There is, therefore, a God who designed the universe to support human life and reveal His existence as creator of the Cosmos

But I think this link is the best I have come across...
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/teleological-arguments/

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Post by Leon Xiv Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:01 am

Christian Science: Its Triumph Over Atheism and Idolatry
Robert S. Van Atta, C.S., of Rochester, New York
Member of the Board of Lectureship of The Mother Church, The First Church of Christ, Scientist, in Boston, Massachusetts

The free world can triumph over aggressive atheism by living the teachings of Christ Jesus more honestly, Robert S. Van Atta of Rochester, New York, told an audience here Tuesday evening, Nov. 4th.

He said that the questions facing modern thinkers demand answers which go far beyond the confines of human wisdom, that the spiritual understanding of God, and man's relation to Him – put into daily practice – is "the world's hope for freedom from uncertainty, terror and ignorance." The impact of such understanding on world thinking should never be underestimated, he added.

Currently on an extended tour as a member of the Christian Science Board of Lectureship, Mr. Van Atta spoke under the auspices of First Church of Christ, Scientist in their Church edifice at Spring Lane and Engle street. The lecturer was introduced by Mrs. Lorena Oberman of Tenafly, a former Reader in a Christian Sci­ence branch church.

The lecturer spoke substantially as follows:

The broadcast powers of evil, so conspicuous today, are challenging the forces of Christianity in a bid for final supremacy. We live in the midst of a mighty revolution. The complacency of the nineteenth century has been succeeded by the turmoil of the twentieth. Long-established values in morals and ethics have been discarded; widely accepted religious beliefs have been abandoned; physical science and medicine are being revolutionized; government, business, and matrimony are dragging their anchors.

These great changes are felt all over the world; they affect the life of every individual. There are none so lowly as to escape, none so remote as not to feel the turbulence of these times. In isolated corners of Africa – no longer the dark and unenlightened continent it used to be called – across the vast stretches of Asia, in the skyscrapers of American business and the centuries old capitals of Europe, everywhere there is disturbance, discontent, and turmoil.

Jesus' Remedy
Christ Jesus foresaw this violent upheaval in human affairs. He spoke of strife and warfare between nations, of hatred and infidelity between men; he foretold famine, pestilence, and disaster; be warned that iniquity would abound and the love of many wax cold; false prophets would arise showing great signs and wonders, so as to deceive, if possible, the very elect. But in his great wisdom and love for mankind he also pointed out the protective action his followers are to take when this deluge threat­ens to engulf the world: "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh" (Luke 21:28).

The fact is that the rule for pro­tection from all danger and the remedy for every evil situation have been available to the world for many centuries through the in­spired Word of the Bible, and par­ticularly through the teaching and example of Christ Jesus. Why, then, have men not used the rem­edy and prevented the evils? Be­cause the Bible teachings have not been interpreted and understood in their spiritual import. Surely so great a teacher as Jesus would not mean that we could expect protec­tion and redemption merely by lift­ing up our heads literally. He must have referred to the need for lifting up our thinking to a higher spiritual and moral plane in order to understand God's power to redeem men from the famines of material sense, the pestilences of immorality, and the earth-shaking impact of revolutionary changes in human society.

"The People's Idea of God"
First of all, the need is to know God. Human life is the expression of the human beliefs about God. Someone has written, "The gods men worship write their names on their foreheads." Mary Baker Eddy, the Discoverer and Founder of Christian Science, explains this action of human belief throughout her writings. Many years ago she delivered a sermon in Boston enti­tled, "The People's Idea of God; Its Effect on Health and Christianity." The very title is thought-provoking, and in the sermon this theme is developed and explained with great variety of treatment and in beauti­ful and dynamic prose. Near the end she states, "Thus it is that our ideas of divinity form our models of humanity" (The People's Idea of God, p. 14). In "Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures," the Christian Science textbook, she writes (p. 94), "The eastern empires and nations owe their false government to the misconceptions of Deity there prevalent." Of her­self she declares that her illnesses before she discovered Christian Science were due to the misinterpretation of God's Word taught her in childhood (see Miscellaneous Writings 169:6-10).

Referring further to Mrs. Eddy's sermon, we read (The People's Idea of God, pp. 6, 7), "Periods and peoples are characterized by their highest or their lowest ideals, by their God and their devil." The present period and its peoples have been wonderfully blessed by the revelation of the true nature of Deity through the discovery of Christian Science. This teaching comes to the world as the "Com­forter" promised by Christ Jesus, which will lead mankind into all truth. It reveals God as infinite Love, never hateful or revengeful; as divine Mind or intelligence, conceiving or creating all that is real and good and nothing that is evil; as perfect Principle, not a changeable person; as self-existent and self-sustaining Life, not subject to disease or death: as all-inclusive Truth, whose light dispels error; as all-pervading Spirit excluding matter as unreal; as the one infi­nite Soul, unconfined in space, the life-giving center of all creation as the divine Father and Mother of man and the universe, always pres­ent to guide, guard, protect, and preserve His children.

The impact of these higher ideas of God upon the minds of men has been tremendous! The spiritual and perfect ideal of God and man, revealed to human consciousness, has healed all types of disease, reformed sinners, lessened the expec­tation of death, and increased longevity. It has also stirred up latent beliefs in evil and brought them to the surface to be destroyed, as a muddy river bed is stirred to purify the stream. Thus we find the present age is characterized, not only by the higher idea of God, but also by more aggressive and subtle forms of evil.

Militant Atheism
One of the chief devils – or evils – at large in the world today is militant atheism, presenting itself as a philosophy or teaching suitable as a foundation for government and society, and organized to propagate itself and destroy religion. It is improbable that the propaganda of organized militant athe­ism has impressed itself to any great extent upon the minds of my listeners in this audience, but the very prominence which the teach­ing claims to occupy in world thought furnishes us a useful chal­lenge to examine our own beliefs and conclusions and to find and eliminate from our own lives any lurking elements of atheism or its wretched relations, agnosticism and idolatry. The atheistic individual claims there is no God; the agnostic says there may be a God, but you cannot know Him for sure; the idolater entertains false concepts of God and worships falsity in the name of truth. Christian Science comes to all types of human think­ing, as the Apostle Paul once went before the citizens of Athens, bear­ing the same God-inspired mes­sage, "Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you" (Acts 17:23).

A great many people do not need to be convinced that there is a God; to others the fact of a Su­preme Being is not so apparent – they wish to be shown. Such an attitude is permissible; it may even be commendable when honestly held. But how is the nonbeliever to be convinced of the reality of God? How is the doubter or skep­tic to be enlightened?

Learning of God
In considering the question how mortals may learn of God, suppose we ask: "How do we learn any­thing? How does a practical and successful individual arrive at re­liable conclusions in whatever ac­tivity he engages?" Mrs. Eddy writes in the textbook (p. 199), "The devotion of thought to an honest achievement makes the achievement possible." Successful results in business, advances in sci­entific discovery, improvements in government, in society, and in indi­vidual well-being, these all come about through the exercise of in­telligent thought, through observa­tion, reason, experience, revelation, and proof. May we not, then, ex­pect to achieve right conclusions in matters of religion by the same practical process? Is not true intelligence able to penetrate the vast realm of spiritual knowledge and to reveal God's nature and man's relation to Him? Is knowl­edge of material things to become more and more important while at the same time we are limited to blind belief, speculation, and chance in the far more important matters of holiness, eternal salva­tion, and God's kingdom on earth?

One recognizes the truth of a new idea by its consistency with other ideas which he already knows, and has proved, to be true. So one may learn to know the true God as the divine origin and Prin­ciple of the spiritual good which he already claims and practices.

Universe and Creator
In our efforts to discover the na­ture or character of God as the creator and ruler of the universe, let us consider first the nature of the universe we are trying to ac­count for. Suppose one looks about him and notes the earth, sky, and people, and says to him­self: "Here I am, a corporeal mor­tal, living in a material body, sub­ject to material conditions, and dependent upon them to preserve me. Where did it all start? Who or what is responsible?" Conceiving the universe to be material, he is obliged to find a material cause for it, and such material cause must be held responsible for all the disas­ters to which the material world seems subject – earthquake, fam­ines, disease, cruelty, and death. Such a concept of primal cause or God is blindly worshiped by pagans through rituals designed to placate His vengeance. This is pantheism, the opposite of Christianity.

But, instead of starting with earth, sky, and people, suppose one considers the charity and love which he feels in his heart, the wisdom and intelligence he sees expressed around him, the hope, faith, joy, and courage so vital to human life, so present and real to him who appreciates them. Now let him ask himself: "Where do these things originate? How is it that men are capable of such grand and noble ideals? What is it that will cause people to turn away wrath with gentleness, meet hatred with love, sacrifice themselves to help others, and face danger with confidence?" The only way to ac­count for these spiritual higher manifestations is to attribute them to a primal spiritual cause; so here we have the Christian or true con­cept of God as pure Spirit, the all-knowing divine Mind, the origin of all spiritual reality.

Belief and Conduct
We have, in our society today, a large number of men and women who seldom go to church; they make no profession of religion. If you were to ask them about God or the things of God they would probably say, "I don't know." And yet these people are honest in business; they are good citizens and good neighbors; they are intelligent and worthy. Why do they reject reli­gion? One reason is that while they conduct their daily lives and achieve whatever success comes to them through reason and intelli­gence, if they go to church on Sun­day it seems to them they are asked to put aside reason and intel­ligence and blindly believe with­out understanding what they are told about God. Their honesty makes them rebel against such in­consistency; so they let the religion go. Many people of this sort have found the Christian Science expla­nations of God, man, and universe completely satisfying and convinc­ing, for human reason rightly di­rected and divine revelation are here seen to coincide. Such people who have turned to Christian Science find no conflict between their everyday duties and their service to God. On the contrary, they un­derstand and prove that the teach­ings of pure Christianity, revealed and demonstrated today in Chris­tian Science, are entirely practical and able to meet legitimate human needs in matters of health and work and in dealings with other men.

Consciousness Basic
The primary fact of individual existence is consciousness, or awareness. This fact is self-evident but much overlooked; yet all questions of life and God must be worked out in consciousness. In the realm of one's awareness dwell all the issues of being. But materialism claims there is something outside of consciousness, a realm of mindlessness, real, fixed, and unaffected by thinking, named matter. How and where does the materialist know this? Why, in his thinking! And intelligent thinking, my friends, is a flat con­tradiction of the claim of mind­lessness or matter! Consciousness is the basic reality, and no expla­nation is valid which loses sight of that fact.

Human life is entirely mental. That primary fact should be ob­vious to all. If this is a new con­cept to you, you only need to work with it to find it true. A person is rich or poor, sick or well, merry or gloomy, only as he believes himself to be. A young engineer was greatly helped and enlightened when he learned, through his study of Christian Science, that his pro­fession was essentially a mental one. He had supposed engineering was material because it dealt with steel, wood, concrete, and so on. But be came to see that an engineer deals with those things in thought, and he is a good engineer in the measure that he has good, sound, useful thoughts on the subject. This is true of every human voca­tion; whether you are a cook, a carpenter, musician, farmer, clerk, or storekeeper, your work is pri­marily mental. As you accustom yourself to this fact you will be ready for the next step, which is to learn that in the mental realm all true reality is spiritual and good, proceeding from the one infinite, divine Mind or Spirit. Thus we prove the statement in Science and Health (p. 269), "Metaphysics re­solves things into thoughts, and exchanges the objects of sense for the ideas of Soul."

If you believe your universe to be material, that is, outside of consciousness, the Christian ideal of God will remain a mystery to you. But when you see that your daily life is a call to mental dominion, if you have accepted the challenge to master yourself, if you are mentally beset with suggestions of fear, pride, jealousy, and covetousness, if material remedies have failed to heal the body, if you long for moral strength and mental freedom, then you can begin right now to learn the truth about your mental uni­verse, to learn that there is one real Mind, universal, ever present, and divine; that it is creator, king, and ruler in the mental realm; that this divine Mind is your Mind here and now, and that your present understanding of this divine father brings you wisdom, inspiration, freedom, strength, and such a deeply entrenched peace that the storms of earth batter your ramparts quite in vain.

God Acknowledged
Is it not clear to us, then, that there is a God, since there is something outside ourselves which moves us to good thoughts and deeds? And since God is inescapable, is it not the path of practical common sense to find out about God so that our relations with Him are on an intelligent footing?

Let us have an end of denying the obvious, of doubting things plainly seen and easily understood. Man is alive, he knows he is alive, and since he did not himself create the existence in which he finds himself he must be the result of the working of a higher power, a pri­mal intelligence, Life, or Mind. This primal intelligence or power cannot be matter, because matter is by definition mindless. The re­sults of scientific reasoning are here seen to coincide with primi­tive Christian teaching, for Jesus declared, "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing" (John 6:63). So it is the divine Spirit, Mind, or Soul, which Jesus understood, demonstrated, and taught, which is now revealed in Christian Science as the true God.

Salvation
"Salvation" is a fine old word which has lost some of its practical usefulness through taking on cer­tain specialized theological connotations. A dictionary tells us that salvation refers to being saved. From what do people need to be saved? Obviously, from sickness, danger, poverty, sin, and death. And when do they need to be saved? Well, right now, of course. So the same dictionary gives the Christian Science definition of "sal­vation" from Science and Health as, "Life, Truth, and Love under­stood and demonstrated as supreme over all; sin, sickness, and death destroyed" (Webster – later edi­tions).

Note how the concept of salva­tion is colored by the concept of God that goes along with it. The belief of a God afar off, living up in the sky perhaps, who is to be met only after death (if at all), logically leads to the belief of sal­vation hereafter, the corollary of which is suffering and trouble in the present. On the other hand, the revelation of the true character of God as ever-present good, all-pervading divine Spirit and power, awakens thought to understand the powerlessness of sin and disease and to the present demonstration of eternal, harmonious Life.

Salvation is individual. There is no mass consciousness. Nations are saved as people are saved. Per­haps someone says, "There are many millions of people in the world, and if they have all got to be converted one by one it is going to take a long time." But the job is not so big as it seems, for it is not a case of converting millions but of saving only one – number one, in every case. If you and I will but take care of number one we may be amazed at the results. Have you ever exchanged your opinion about something for a better one and discovered to your surprise that many others feel the same about it as you now do?

A young man, new in the study of Christian Science, began to wish to be healed of smoking and drink­ing; but as his thoughts traveled down the vista of the future he saw himself attending social and busi­ness gatherings where everyone but he smoked and drank and had a good time! "No," he thought, "that would be too lonesome for happiness." But before long the desire for purity and freedom car­ried the day; with the help of a Christian Science practitioner he was healed of those enslaving ap­petites. To his surprise he found that there are large numbers of nonsmokers and nondrinkers, a great and glorious company of those who did not bow the knee to these twin idols of self-indulgence, and he was not at all lonesome in his newly won freedom.

Idolatry
Toward the end of the first cen­tury the first epistle of John was written to combat the growing menace of Gnosticism. This little book is outstanding in all Christian literature for its teachings of love and purity and fellowship with God. The letter ends with the simple counsel, "Little children, keep yourselves from idols." Obviously the idols John meant were the false teachings against which he had been warning them.

Idolatry may be the worship of material objects; it may be the worship of some manifestation of God in place of God Himself; or it may be the worship of a false conception of God in place of the true. The idols of modern civilization are different from the idols of an­cient paganism, and Christian idols may be more deceptive than heathen. One form of idol worship is the adulation of the human per­sonality. A human being may ex­press a high quality of spiritual goodness – or godliness – but he is not the creator of that goodness. Jesus, the Master, declared, "I can of mine own self do nothing" (John 5:30); "The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works" (John 14:10).

Jesus and Christ
Jesus was not understood by many of the people of his time, especially his enemies. It is im­portant to understand the dual na­ture of Christ Jesus, otherwise some of his statements about him­self seem contradictory and hard to understand. Christian Science dis­pels the mystery. It points out that Jesus was the name of the human man who was born, brought up, carried out his mission, and at last disappeared to material sense. The name was common among Hebrew boys and men.

But this man Jesus was different from all other men who have ever walked the earth. To state it sim­ply, he knew more about God than any man before or since; he lived what he knew, and he proved the practical power of spiritual under­standing in overcoming every type of human trouble – sin, danger, dis­ease, and even death itself. His friends and associates soon began to perceive that here, right in their midst, was a truly Godlike character. While it reached its highest expression in and through the man Jesus, it was not for him exclusively. Others began to share the divine understanding; their lives, too, became imbued and inspired with the divine nature, enabling them also to do great works of healing. For centuries the Jewish people had expected some such manifestation of godliness among them; earlier writers foretold its appearing as the Messiah, the Christ, the Coming One, Immanuel, or God with us. So when Jesus began to teach and heal, many de­vout Jews recognized that he was indeed bringing what they had been waiting for.

Christ, as defined in Science and Health (p. 583), is "The divine manifestation of God, which comes to the flesh to destroy incarnate error." Jesus' work, in revealing the power and presence of God on earth, was incomparable. He stands alone. So the word Christ was attached to him as a title. It stands for the Godlike nature which animated him, and must not be confused with Jesus as the name of the human person.

Dual Nature
Keeping in mind this dual na­ture, we see how inaccurate it is to say that Christ was born on Christ­mas Day, or that Christ was cruci­fied and died. It was Jesus who was born and later crucified and rose from the dead; the Christ, or true spiritual nature, was quite un­touched by these material changes, just as the quantity two remains unchanged when you erase the fig­ure 2 from the blackboard. The quantity two is a mental concep­tion; the figure 2 is a material symbol. The symbol is subject to change or erasure; the quantity is always the same because it is a mental conception.

Sometimes Jesus spoke of him­self as the son of man, meaning Jesus the son of Mary. At other times he called himself the Son of God, referring to the Christ or spiritual manifestation of God. Some of his later followers became con­fused on this point. He had said, "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30). Mrs. Eddy, in the text­book, explains that this means one in quality, not in quantity, "as a drop of water is one with the ocean" or "a "ray of light one with the sun" (see Science and Health 361:15-17). But the early Christians fell into the same error of which the Jews accused Jesus, the error of believing the man Jesus to be equal with God. After three hundred years it was definitely declared to be the creed of the Christian church that Jesus was God. This led to the idolatrous worship of the human personality and praying to Jesus as God.

One Mind versus Minds Many
The bedrock of true religion is the First Commandment – one God, infinite and good. One God means one Mind. Human belief would divide the one infinite Mind into many finite minds, distribute one to each person, encase it in a body of flesh, separate it completely from the one supreme intelligence, and let it go on from there operat­ing strictly on its own, progressing or retrogressing in good or evil, as the case might be, according to whatever standard or rule it sets up for itself.

The belief of a mind and reality apart from God is the one basic error. This error is responsible for all the troubles of mankind. The belief is that there are many minds, one to each person. Each so-called human mind turns in upon itself, tries to prove itself self-sufficient, develops its own will, and takes pride in its achievements. It calls itself "I" – spelled with a capital letter. This human egotism swells into a great seeming, and yet it is basically unreal and erroneous. The call of Christian Science is to un­cover this falsity, denounce it and cast it out, and return to the sim­ple basic facts as set forth in the First Commandment of Moses and demonstrated by Jesus the Christ with great power and signs follow­ing: one God, one Mind, one Prin­ciple, infinite, good, present, understandable, and demonstrable. The reflection or expression of the true God is seen in the real man and universe.

Spiritual Leadership
Mrs. Eddy's discovery of Chris­tian Science was the revelation to her of the truth of God and man: one Mind expressing itself in an infinitude of spiritual ideas. It in­cluded the uncovering of the claims of evil: many minds, knowing both evil and good, and the belief that there is real substance-matter out­side the infinitude of Spirit. Fi­nally, it included the demonstra­tion that the understanding of these facts will cure disease, dis­pel sin, and harmonize human existence. The Discoverer of Christian Science is also the Founder of our church. The members of this church are governed by the divinely inspired rules in the Church Manual. The purpose of this organization is to restore to Christianity the lost element of healing; to heal and transform, but not to deify the human personality. Having seen how the worship of human personality had entered the early Christian church as a great mental and moral cloud, depriving Christians of spiritual understanding and power to heal, she resolved to keep it out of Christian Science. She declares: "Person is not in the question of Christian Science. Principle, instead of person, is next to our hearts, on our lips, and in our lives" (Miscellaneous Writings, p. 135). She consistently exhorted her followers not to pursue her personality but to find her in her writings. While she demanded strictly that her place as Discoverer and Founder of Christian Science and author of its textbook should be recognized and acknowledged, this was not because of any desire for personal glory but because she understood that mortal mind would make its attack upon her discovery by first trying to discredit her as the discoverer. The discovery must stand because it is true; the dis­coverer must be acknowledged be­cause she was God's instrument.

Mrs. Eddy is no longer with us in person, but her revelation of man as the perfect expression of God remains to lead her followers on to clearer vision and unerring demonstration. There are no personal leaders in Christian Science churches, but there is no lack of leadership. The revealed Principle and rule of true being is studied and obeyed by students of Chris­tian Science and so provides spirit­ual leadership for all the churches and their members, leadership that is wise, positive, and effective. A stranger going to a Christian Sci­ence church need have no concern as to whether or not he is getting in with the right people; he is get­ting in with the right Principle. He need not wonder who runs the church, for the true Church is spiritual, and Christian Scientists work to understand God's govern­ment and submit to it. "Again I repeat, person is not in the ques­tion of Christian Science" (Mis­cellaneous Writings, p. 135).

Healing Prayer
One's concept of God determines his method of approaching God, that is, the form of prayer. Believ­ing God to be a sort of enlarged human being or person, mysterious, arbitrary, and changeable, one would petition God for special fa­vors. But God as Principle is not reached in that manner. You do not ask favors of a principle. Would anyone implore the principle of mathematics, "Please solve this problem"? No, the principle is reached, understood, and demon­strated through understanding and applying the rule which expresses it. God is the divine Principle of His spiritual universe. His mani­festation is Christ, expressed in Godlike thinking and living. Every Godlike thought, word, or deed brings one into closer communion with the divine source or Principle, and that is the purpose and effect of true prayer.

A Christian Scientist awakened one morning to find herself under a spell of sickness. She was far from home and faced a heavy schedule of duties for the day. It seemed impossible to get up and get started. She lay there and began to turn to Christian Science for help. A passage from the textbook came to her (p. 390), "It is our ignorance of God, the divine Principle, which produces apparent discord, and the right understanding of Him restores harmony." Here, she realized, was both the cause of the trouble and its cure. Reaching out in thought with a sincere desire to understand God better, she saw that she had al­lowed erroneous thoughts to enter consciousness, and these seemed to hide God's presence from her. She had allowed herself to become irri­tated, upset, unhappy, and resent­ful, and she recognized the need to be healed of such wrong thinking. She studied the Bible and Science and Health and accepted the truths she found there. The mental picture of an irritated, resentful mor­tal disappeared in the light of the truth that man is the spiritual and perfect child of God. Her thinking became spiritually clear, and she was healed. All symptoms of physical disease disappeared. She was able to arise and carry out the duties of the day in perfect free­dom. She proved that it was igno­rance of God – ignoring God – which had produced the discord, and the right understanding of Him had indeed restored her natural harmony.

How to Pray
There are many ways to pray; do not think to confine prayer to a fixed form or formula. Deep, hon­est, spiritual desire is effective prayer, bringing one into the consciousness of God's ways. To adore the divine Being is effective prayer; through it the beliefs of evil disappear from consciousness. To recognize, acknowledge, and be grateful to God for blessings is ef­fective prayer; it opens the door to higher spiritual attainments. Obe­dience to God's revealed require­ments is prayer; the struggle to be and do good is prayer; the practice of humility, the striving for holi­ness, the abiding steadfast in hope and faith, patient improvement of our present talents, continued serv­ice to divine Love – these are all forms of true prayer because they all bring us closer to God. The highest prayer is an abiding reali­zation of God's allness and man's forever oneness with his divine Principle, as when Jesus declared, "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).

Prayer for the World
There must be inspiration in prayer. There must be honest ex­pectancy of good. Repentance must accompany prayer, and re­form must follow. Self-justification has no place in Christian prayer; self-righteousness closes the door to the divine presence. True prayer starts with God, takes in the spiritual nature of man and the universe, and ends with God. It proceeds from the general to the particular. One is healed or saved when be recognizes that all are healed and saved. "The Lord turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends" (Job 42:10). Prayer for others is expan­sive; it lifts thought above self; praying for oneself first and exclu­sively may darken thought and retard healing. The beloved Founder of Christian Science made it a rule to pray daily for all man­kind. Could anyone so conscious of humanity's need and so sure of God's power to supply it do less? Not only did she pray for the whole world, but she also declared, "I also have faith that my prayer availeth" (The First Church of Christ, Scientist, and Miscellany, p. 220). If all Christians and all Christian Scientists will pray as Jesus prayed and taught, if they will pray earnestly and devotedly in the light of the understanding of the true nature of God, and if they will let their lives attest their fidel­ity to God's ways, the millennium, my friends, may prove to be not so far off as generally believed.

New Heaven and Earth
My friends, the present age is a glorious one! Matter is definitely on the way out. Our inspired Leader declares, "We live in an age of Love's divine adventure to be All-in-all" (Miscellany, p. 158). As divine Love is understood as All-in-all, sickness, sin, and death will diminish and finally disap­pear. Christian Science extends to all men the invitation and oppor­tunity to join in this divine adven­ture, to find God to be what He really is: a present and practical help in all things, every man's first, last, and only real friend. Di­vine Science will lift you above the grossness and cruelty of atheism; its light will dispel the doubts and uncertainties of agnosticism; its spiritual power will destroy the idols of human will, physical health laws, material beliefs about God and the universe, and ignorance and superstition in religion. Here is the promise of Christian Science for the future (Science and Health, p. 568): "For victory over a single sin, we give thanks and magnify the Lord of Hosts. What shall we say of the mighty conquest over all sin? A louder song, sweeter than has ever before reached high heaven, now rises clearer and nearer to the great heart of Christ; for the accuser is not there, and Love sends forth her primal and everlasting strain."

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Article by Mario Seiglie
There are logical reasons to accept the existence of a divine Creator apart from relying on the authenticity of Scripture.

Proving the existence of God is the beginning of having faith in God, so it is one of the most important goals to establish in our lives. It answers whether we are alone or not as a human race and whether or not our existence has purpose.

Can we logically prove the existence of God without going to the Bible? If by "God" we mean a Creator of the universe, then the answer is certainly yes. (Specifically identifying this Creator as the God of the Bible, however, does require proving and accepting the Bible to be true—a topic for another time.)

By considering certain aspects of the natural world around us, we can arrive at the commonsense conclusion that there is a powerful, all-wise Creator who made it all.

Let's explore five key proofs of God's existence with clear illustrations to back them up. To make it easier to remember, we'll use the acronym GODLY.

G for Genetics
The molecular information of genes instructs cells in how to function and reproduce. The study of genetics has revolutionized our understanding of living things and how they operate.

Key illustration: DNA. Containing the 3-billion-letter code inside our cells (of four recurring letters, or chemicals actually, the names of which start with these letters), it's a virtual library of instruction manuals for assembling and operating all the cells of the body.

A few years ago, one of the world's most famous atheists, Professor Anthony Flew, came to the conclusion that God exists based on DNA evidence.

"What I think the DNA material has done," he wrote, "is that it has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce [life], that intelligence must have been involved in getting these extraordinarily diverse elements to work together.

"It's the enormous complexity of the number of elements and the enormous subtlety of the ways they work together. The meeting of these two parts at the right time by chance is simply minute. It is all a matter of the enormous complexity by which the results were achieved, which looked to me like the work of intelligence" (There Is a God, 2007, p. 75).

In his book The Case for a Creator, former atheist Lee Strobel writes: "The six-feet of DNA coiled inside every one of our body's one-hundred trillion cells contains a four-letter chemical alphabet that spells out precise assembly instructions for all the proteins from which our bodies are made. Cambridge-educated Stephen Meyer demonstrated that no hypothesis has come close to explaining how information got into biological matter by naturalistic [evolutionary] means" (2004, p. 282).

So there is no logical explanation as to how this incredibly extensive, exquisite code inside the cell could exist without a supremely intelligent Being having designed it. Microsoft founder Bill Gates noted, "DNA is like a software program, only much more complex than anything we've ever devised" ( The Road Ahead, 1996, p. 228).

It is absurd to think that nobody designed such a complex code—that it is simply a result of time, chance and mutation.

O for Origin
If things have an origin, they first needed an originator. The greatest question in philosophy is: Why does something exist instead of nothing? Philosophers don't really have an adequate answer. But there is a principle in nature that points to the answer—everything with a beginning has a cause, and there are no known exceptions to this rule.

Key illustration: the universe. Physics and astronomy have established that the universe had a beginning. For instance, it can be shown that the universe is presently expanding outward from an initial point. So if everything with a beginning has a cause, and if the universe has a beginning, then it must also have a cause that created it—the First Cause.

Moreover, everything that is caused to exist is brought about by something superior to itself. Therefore, something greater than the universe must have brought it into existence. This is a strong proof that a Creator exists.

D for Design
Everything that has a specific and complex design has a designer. For instance, a building is designed by an architect. No amount of time, chance and unthinking natural processes can produce a building. In a similar way, we see the exquisite designs of things around us.

On Mt. Rushmore in the Black Hills of South Dakota, we see the complex and specific design of the faces of four American presidents carved into the rock. Wind and erosion can produce predictable designs on some mountains, but not obvious, well-known human faces.

History tells us that Gutzon Borglum carved the faces on Mt. Rushmore, but even if there were no record of these being sculpted, we would still know that someone designed them and made them. Likewise, the natural realm itself shows evidence of design.

Key illustration: the earth. The fact that so many of the planet's features had to be just right for complex life to exist indicates that a designer was at work. The combination and interworking of such features are far too complex for them to be the product of mere chance.

For instance, for the earth to have life, it had to be just the right size—8,000 miles in diameter. If it were 9,500 miles in diameter, scientists have concluded it would double the weight of the air. Then there would be so much oxygen turning into water that it would cover the entire earth. None of the continents would have appeared, so there would be no land-based life—including us.

The earth is just the right distance from the sun—93 million miles. If it were just 5 percent farther out from the sun, the earth would be too cold and mostly covered with ice. But if it were just a bit closer to the sun, it would be unbearably hot and the polar ice caps would melt, flooding the coasts.

The earth also needs the right rotational speed. If it were just a little faster, the earth would not be warmed enough, freezing much of the surface. But if it were slower, the heat would be oppressive.

It also needs just the right atmosphere—78 percent nitrogen and 21 percent oxygen, the precise amounts to sustain complex life. The earth also has the correct tilt—23.5 degrees—allowing us to have the four seasons and twice as much arable soil as a different tilt angle would provide.

Even the moon is precisely the right size and distance from the earth for the tides to move the oceans around, keeping them clean and aerated. (To find more examples, read the 2004 book The Privileged Planet by Guillermo Gonzalez and Jay Richards.)

L for Laws
Where did the laws of the universe come from? They're not matter or energy, but they govern how both operate. There is no intrinsic reason for the laws of nature to exist. In fact, these laws had to be created and in place when matter and energy appeared, or there would be total chaos. The laws of the universe require that a lawgiver calibrated them and set them into effect.

Key illustration: gravity. Without this force that causes mass to attract other objects, life could not exist. And the intensity of all the forces must be in precise ratios to one another.

The famous physicist Stephen Hawking stated: "The universe and the laws of physics seem to have been specifically designed for us. If any of about 40 physical qualities had more than slightly different values, life as we know it could not exist: Either atoms would not be stable, or they wouldn't combine into molecules, or the stars wouldn't form the heavier elements, or the universe would collapse before life could develop, and so on" ( Austin American-Statesman, October 19, 1997).

Who caused mass to affect its surroundings as it does to the degree that it does? Who made the other laws that must have been exquisitely designed and calibrated to work in total harmony? The logical answer: It must be an utterly supreme and all-powerful Intelligence.

Y for Yield
What does believing in God yield? Answer: positive results, especially in the long run!

An article titled, "Take Ten Commandments and Call Me in the Morning," states: "Using both anecdotal and research data, [Dr. Harold Koenig] demonstrates that there is ample evidence to show that people who regularly attend church, pray, read, and put into practice what the Bible or their faith teaches are overall healthier.

"Just for starters, they have significantly lower blood pressure, are hospitalized less, recover from surgery faster, have stronger immune systems, and are likely to live longer. Emotional health also benefits: family life is better and depression is lower in those with faith" ( Christianity Today, Nov. 11, 1999).

Key illustration: answered prayer. If there were no God, then prayers for supernatural intervention would never be answered. Yet there are so many examples of answered prayer all around us—of miraculous interventions that defy physical explanation. There are simply vast numbers of witnesses of this phenomenon, including this author. This should strengthen our faith in the fact that God exists and that He cares about what happens to us.

Thus, proving that God exists is not a matter of blind faith—but of well-reasoned faith justified by hard evidence. For the evidence that there is a God is overwhelming!

Remember these five key "GODLY" concepts and accompanying five illustrations to prove God's existence even without the use of the Bible!

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Post by Leon Xiv Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:39 am

Can You Show That God Exists Without the Bible?
Question:
Can you prove that God exists today without using the Bible?
And if so, how do you know that he is the ONLY God? And that all of those other 'gods' who others have claimed to be gods aren't real or else fall into the category of demons or djinn?

Answer:
There are three distinct questions here, these are;
a.) Can you prove that God exists today without using the Bible?
b.) And if so, how do you know that he is the ONLY God
c.) And that all of those other 'gods' who others have claimed to be gods aren't real or else fall into the category of demons or djinn? Or else are not just human beings who have taken upon themselves the title of God or else have had it placed upon them?
Each question logically follows from the one before it. But before we start, we need to resolve a background issue.
What is Proof?
In asking this question, we're basically asking "What kind of proof will be good enough? How much proof is needed?". When we talk about proof, we're talking about establishing some degree of certainty about something.
Scientific knowledge is based on repeated observations, but scientific knowledge is only one kind of knowledge. Other kinds include historical knowledge, philosophical knowledge, moral knowledge and personal knowledge.
These types of knowledge lie outside the bounds of scientific knowledge.
For example, take historical knowledge.
Can you prove that King Henry the Eighth existed? Using the scientific approach of observation and repeatable experiments, this would be impossible. But using historical methods, it is certain that he existed beyond a reasonable doubt. This phrase is the key. While not one person living today has ever seen King Henry the Eighth, we know he existed beyond a reasonable doubt. This is why in law courts, a jury must be convinced of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, not beyond a shadow of a doubt.
So, when we look to prove whether God exists today, a scientific approach will not work. The amount of proof needed is enough so that we can say: "God exists beyond a reasonable doubt".
The Question Restated
We can now restate the questions as such:
Is it reasonable to accept that there is a 'Higher Being' behind this universe? If so, how do we know 'what' or 'who' the Higher Being is? Is There A Higher Being?
a.) Can this Higher Being be proven to exist with using the Bible?
b.) How do you know there is only one Higher Being?
c.) Have there been others who have tried to take the place of the Higher Being?
There are many different arguments for the existence of a Higher Being, none of which rely on the Bible, and none of which can be scientifically proved. Here are a few:
The Argument From Design
When we look at anything which has a design, we rightly conclude that it had a designer. Somebody designed chairs for a purpose.
Let's use this as an example; You walk into an empty room and have a need to sit down, as there is no furniture and have a need then you want a solution - this is emanation. Next you envision that a chair you suit your need and imagine the shape, height and colour of the chair - this is creation. But for your creation to come into being you have to 'blueprints' in order to decide the construction of the chair - this is formation. From that all that remains is the physical action in order to make the chair.
You can add somebody designed a glove to fit over a hand, if one has cold hands or else needs to have them covered then any solution requires a design and has to be practical so it can be used by a variety of human beings and can be replicated if it was designed by human beings for the use of human beings.
We can look at the universe, the complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe but sustains it today through its design. In other words it is the design that sustains itself due to the emanation, creation and formation that is behind the design which could only come from a designer. It would go against the laws of mathematics that the universe came in existence by accident or some random event.
Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:
The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter. Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -20 degrees to +50 degrees . If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible.
The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.
And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.
And then in particular we have human beings, we show an unbelievable amount of design which replicates. Same anatomy as can be seen in regards to the likes of medicine and surgery, we also have life spans which governs our biological being. Even though humans try to prolong their lifespan through various means it does not extend 'life' as they knew it. In order to extend their life people will have all manner of surgeries, all manner of implants and take all manner of drugs, but from all this they will change from their personality nature and end up as drug induced robots and zombies without life.
Human beings were not designed to be immortal and neither was any other form of physical life on this Earth. If we were immortal then we would not reproduce as designed, but if we did this Earth would be overpopulated and the likes of murder and utter poverty would skyrocket on a global scale and most (if not all) animal species would be extinct due to hunting caused by hunger.
The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.
The human brain processes more than a million messages a second. Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.
The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.
The DNA code informs and programs a cell's behavior; All instruction, all teaching and all training comes with intent. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. Did you know that in every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program? As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, as in binary code like this: 110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do. The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It's made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billion of these letters in every human cell!!
Just as you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three billion lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.
Why is this so amazing? One has to ask....how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the persons body should develop.
Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.
Let us continue...
Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:
It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 37 degrees. Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that various chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.
Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.
Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.
Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

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Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.
Much of life as a whole may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change - on earth or in galaxies far from us.
How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable? And when anomalies occur they can correct themselves. This points to a Designer.
"The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence."
Dinesh D'Souza, What's So Great about Christianity; (Regnery Publishing, Inc, 2007, chapter 11)
Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said,
"Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."
Richard Feynman, The Meaning of It All: Thoughts of a Citizen-Scientist (New York: BasicBooks, 1998)
We can also compare the universe to the likes of a railway system, at any given time all over the Earth there are thousands of trains on a multitude of railway tracks. There may be accidents and collisions but in comparison to the amount of journeys this is in fact a fraction. Likewise in the universe there may be collisions between comets and rocks of various placements and sizes. Considering the amount of rocks and comets in the universe the mathematical odds that this planet should have been hit and ultimately destroyed defies the laws of mathematics.
As we see we find ourselves with the intuition that random, unplanned, unexplained accident just couldn't produce the order, beauty, elegance, and seeming purpose that we experience in the natural world around us. More notable is that the components within the order have the ability to replicate and reproduce within the segments of the order. Examples are humans reproducing with humans, dogs reproducing with dogs, plants reproducing with plants usually by pollination (which can require division of the sexes) or else asexually as seen in the likes of plant grafts or else by 'splitting'. As we see these days because of political correctness and the continuous redefining of words and terms there are those who claim cross breeding within a species is 'evolution'. It is not, the amount of chromosomes has not changed.
In terms of reproduction there cannot be interbreeding between various species because of the various number of chromosomes between the species. The DNA/RNA of each creature will not ultimately absorb that of any other, it may be 'absorbed' with the aid of various chemicals and drugs. But then the problem will be two fold; the first problem is that the receiver will constantly need chemicals and drugs in order to keep the absorbsion. The second being that the constant ingestation of chemicals and drugs will either kill the receiver or else have them in a continuous sickly condition.
"Look round the world; contemplate the whole and every part of it: You will find it to be nothing but one great machine, subdivided into an infinite number of lesser machines, which again admit of subdivisions to a degree beyond what human senses and faculties can trace and explain. All these various machines, and even their most minute parts, are adjusted to each other with an accuracy which ravishes into admiration all men who have ever contemplated them. The curious adapting of means to ends, throughout all nature, resembles exactly, though it much exceeds, the productions of human contrivance; of human design, thought, wisdom, and intelligence. Since, therefore, the effects resemble each other, we are led to infer, by all the rules of analogy, that the causes also resemble; and that the Author of Nature is somewhat similar to the mind of man, though possessed of much larger faculties, proportioned to the grandeur of the work which he has executed. By this argument a posteriori, and by this argument alone, do we prove at once the existence of a Deity, and his similarity to human mind and intelligence."
- Hume 1779
Design type arguments are largely unproblematic when based upon things nature clearly could not or would not produce (e.g., most human artifacts), or when the intelligent agency is itself ‘natural’ (human). Identifying designed traces of ‘lost’ human civilisations could in principle be uncontroversial or even nearly trivial. If we are confronted with something which nature unaided by an intelligence truly could not or would not produce (e.g., a DVD player), a design conclusion of some sort is very nearly inescapable. The unproblematic nature of such arguments has often been appropriated as a foundation for analogous inferences concerning (things in) nature. But in cases involving design in (or of) nature itself inferences are more problematic. Things actually in nature presumably are among those things which nature could or would produce, the intelligence in question would typically presumably not be within nature, and our everyday types of design inferences would appear to be wide of the mark.
But despite the variety of spirited critical attacks they have elicited, design arguments have historically had and continue to have widespread intuitive appeal—indeed, it is sometimes claimed that design arguments are the most persuasive of all purely philosophical theistic arguments.
Cosmological arguments begin with the bare fact that there are contingently existing things and end with conclusions concerning the existence of a maker with the power to account for the existence of those contingent things. Teleological arguments (or arguments from design) by contrast begin with a much more specialised catalogue of properties and end with a conclusion concerning the existence of a designer with the intellectual properties (knowledge, purpose, understanding, foresight, wisdom, intention) necessary to design the things exhibiting the special properties in question. In broad outline, then, teleological arguments focus upon finding and identifying various traces of the operation of a mind in nature's temporal and physical structures, behaviors and paths. Order of some significant type is usually the starting point of design arguments. Various advocates have focused on different types, levels and instances of order, have suggested different logical connections between order, design and designer and have pursued different levels of rigor
Design Inference Patterns:
The historical arguments of interest are precisely the potentially problematic ones—inferences beginning with some empirical features of nature taken as (or argued to be) design-indicative, and concluding with the designedness of, and a designer of, the phenomena in question. A standard but separable second step—the natural theology step—involves identifying the designer as God, often via particular properties and powers required by the designing in question. Although the argument wielded its greatest intellectual influence during the 18th and early 19th centuries, it goes back at least to the ancient Greeks and in extremely clipped form comprises one of Aquinas's Five Ways.
Design Arguments Example:
Entity 'A' (stone) within nature is like specified human creation 'B' (concrete) in relevant respects because it is a product of deliberate design by an intelligent non-human agency. Like effects typically have like causes (or like explanations, like existence requirements, etc.) Therefore it is (highly) probable that 'B' has 'A' precisely because it is a product of deliberate design by an intelligent human agency. But as to item 'A'? If you were in find a stone in a riverbed for example, would you know how old it is and how it was created?
On a theistic level it can be argued that as man was created in the image of God; then man too will create in the image of God. Whether that be by reproduction or replication in relation to animate (such as children) or inanimate (such as concrete) 'objects'.
Some things in nature (or nature itself, the cosmos) are design-like (exhibit a cognition-resonating, intention-shaped character). Design-like properties are not producible by (unguided) natural means—i.e., any phenomenon exhibiting such properties must be a product of intentional design. Therefore some things in nature (or nature itself, the cosmos) are products of intentional design. And of course, the capacity for intentional design requires an agency of some type. An agency of some type would have to refer to a Higher Intelligence or Higher Being or as we commonly say... God.

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Post by Leon Xiv Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:03 am

Argument from Opposition II

One way of telling the value of a side in an argument is the opposition it encounters. If we are to take the Abrahamic description of God or the Trinitarian conception of the Abrahamic God we will find opposition from other religions, along with atheist and agnostic movements. Theistic satanism and some Gnostic based beliefs do not dispute that there is a God, their concern is with who the God should be. Modern satanism has being absorbed into atheism because modern satanism does not believe that the Satan as a personality exists. Anti Abrahamic Gnosticism has been absorbed into Satanism and thus into atheism, both Satanism and Gnosticism are now adhered to in terms of mythology by their adherents.

As the question of this work came from "Can You Show That God Exists Without the Bible?", then we must state that the definition of God is the Trinitarian one. That being God consisting of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. And one has to accept that despite being 3 separate entities their unity is one.

The argument from opposition composes of 3 categories, they are;
1. Opposition from the non belief in a creator God or a personal one.
2. Opposition for the sake of trying to enthrone a rival entity.
3. Opposition for the sake of opposition.

1. Opposition from the non belief in a creator God.
This really relates to non-theistic religions such as Buddhism and Jainism (as well as their variants and offshoots), it is not the rejection of a higher power per se but rather the rejection of a personal creator God. Buddhists and Jains seem to view the upper realms of existence as a type of impersonal spiritual machine of unknown and unknowable origin.

2. Opposition for the sake of trying to enthrone a rival entity.
This is really the realm of theistic satanists, they aim to 'overthrow' God as we know it and install the Satan in its place who will then be renamed 'God'. The names God and Satan are both titles of positions and also of content, when one says God they are at the same time also describing 3 different entities. The Heavenly Father also known as Jehovah, the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. This is the Trinitarian God as known in Christianity.
The opposition to this status is the title Satan, which means 'accuser' or 'adversary'. In theory any entity can challenge for the titles of God and Satan whether they are are spiritual entity (angel or demon) or else a human being. There are 2 contenders for the title of Satan, they are Lucifer and Moloch.
This type of opposition is not to abolish the positions of the current order but rather reverse it. Today the majority of so called 'Satanists' are not theistic Satanists but atheists who use the title of Satanists.

In regards to Judaism and Islam which along with Christianity are deemed 'sister religions', the fact is that these religions are erasing their similarities more so everyday. On top of that they are also fracturing within themselves, less and less to do with the spiritual and more and more to do with the physical. Race, culture and language are the main factors in this, which is being enforced as 'identity politics' especially in the 'white Western countries'.
In Judaism there is the tribal bloodline factor which splits Jews between 'physical Jews' (bloodline) and 'spiritual Jews' (converts). And those jews who do believe in a concept of 'god' believe so in a pantheistic way. Islam has problems regarding the black supremacist 'Nation Of Islam' in the United States of America; as far as they are concerned 'Allah' is a collective name for all black people on Earth and all white people are collectively 'the devil'. As seen in recent history this attitude has embedded itself in islamist terrorist groups who see all white people as evil and who have to be killed.

However Christianity has problems as well, there are loud self proclaimed 'christians' who willingly promote political causes within the faith such as acceptance of militant homosexual and transsexual creeds. There is the issue of 'prosperity theology' as well.

So we have the issue of those trying to enthrone a rival entity as God or else trying to redefine the current (and eternal) God in order to complement their beliefs and indeed ideology.

3. Opposition for the sake of opposition.
Maltheists, misotheists, anti theists, and atheists of various ideologies, creeds and other beliefs come under this. Maltheists view God as an evil entity but yet have no proposal for a rival entity, which leaves only atheism. While some may say it could also leave the door open to pantheism and for them to become Buddhists or Jains, the fact is that maltheists seek no answer or way out for their situation. They are addicted to and base their existence around their own personal hate and jealousy, the obvious answer is that they subconsciously are challenging for the title of God. Misotheism is basically the same, misotheism simply means 'hatred of God'. I think that it is fair to say that misotheists and maltheists are essentially solipsists, they each believe that they are an undercover god and that existence is all contained in their mind.

Anti theists seek to abolish all religion, especially Christianity. They seldom if ever critise judaism and islam purely for political reasons, those being avoiding to be labelled 'antisemitic' and 'islamphobic'. This leads to investigating who these people are, they are in fact white Europeans usually led by jews. This leads to another factor in their 'beliefs', which is pathological altruism. Again this points to their God envy.

Even though Buddhism and Jainism can be called atheist or more correctly non-theist religions, they are still hated by atheists. This is because of the actual religious practices they engage in, these practices have no relation to the cultural marxism and psychology that automatically come with being an atheist. Certainly in the west and certainly these days. All atheism has to offer is a marxist ideological political cult which seeks to enforce its dogma upon everyone on a global basis. It tolerates no opposition and uses all manner of tactics with a set of values based on moral relativism. It does not value its faithful as they are all expendable, every atheist who claims all people are equal will always seek to be a 'first among equals'. Essentially it is a nihilist cult that supposedly believes in nothing and yet seeks to enforce it on others.

It is a cult of compulsive imitation, when we look at the Trinitarian God we see it composes of 3 entities and this is what atheists seek to imitate so they can tell themselves everything is 'in their image'.

With the Heavenly Father or Jehovah, it relates back to when Moses was told to leave Egypt and take the Israelites to the land of Canaan. Today we have atheists seeking, demanding, and to an extent succeeding in having open borders on a global basis.
With the Holy Spirit we see various suicidal ideologies being implemented and enforced in schools, such as the hatred of Christianity and the acceptance of transgenderism and other dangerous sexually deviant behaviour. This is aimed to destroy and eradicate future generations.
With the Lord Jesus Christ we are seeing the pathological altruism which is not designed to lift up people to a decent level of lifestyle. What we are seeing is the globalisation of poverty and the worship of money that has not, does not and never will exist except as keyboard money with no intrinsic value. People have gambled their future and their childrens future on the likes of shares and bitcoin that they cannot see or touch.

Zionism was founded by atheism, atheists will tell you that Karl Marx was a 'progressive' atheist. Karl Marx was born a jew, raised a Christian, and became an atheist. So the story is for public history..... but Karl Marx was actually a Satanist.

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Post by vege57 Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:07 pm

""I believe in God and will push arguments to prove its existance, I got this from..""

There is not one iota of evidence that there is a god,How do you explain all the other clowns out there that think there god is the real god, Youre all as crazy as each other,

You cannot prove the existence of something that doesn't exist,

And dint think you can bury opposing views with your war and peace postings
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Post by Calypso Jones Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:24 pm

YOU are ignoring ALL evidence for the existence of an Intelligent Being (otherwise known as GOD)  You have no excuse other than your....obtuseness.
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Post by vege57 Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:31 pm

Calypso Jones wrote:YOU are ignoring ALL evidence for the existence of an Intelligent Being (otherwise known as GOD)  You have no excuse other than your....obtuseness.

With all due respect, there is not one iota of evidence, You guys sit around in your bible study groups and blow smoke up each others asses, it wouldn't matter how outrageous the claim you would all lap it up
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Post by Leon Xiv Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:47 pm

vege57 wrote:""I believe in God and will push arguments to prove its existance, I got this from..""

There is not one iota of evidence that there is a god,How do you explain all the other clowns out there that think there god is the real god, Youre all as crazy as each other,

You cannot prove the existence of something that doesn't exist,

And dint think you can bury opposing views with your war and peace postings

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3. Opposition for the sake of opposition.
Maltheists, misotheists, anti theists, and atheists of various ideologies, creeds and other beliefs come under this. Maltheists view God as an evil entity but yet have no proposal for a rival entity, which leaves only atheism. While some may say it could also leave the door open to pantheism and for them to become Buddhists or Jains, the fact is that maltheists seek no answer or way out for their situation. They are addicted to and base their existence around their own personal hate and jealousy, the obvious answer is that they subconsciously are challenging for the title of God.

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