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Post by 2cent Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:31 am

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6317617044112

Yes, just what is our goal?  To replace Putin?  In which case, with whom?  And as Tucker asks, who then to oversee the Nuke arsenal?  

And just why, pray tell, are we helping to defend a monster who has it out for Christians; seizing and banning their churches, while throwing priests into jail?  Yet, not even so much as a word in opposition to that atrocious behavior from out "fearless leaders."
No, their #1 goal over everything is to defeat Putin.  As Tucker point out - Even over our budget?, our open borders?, the education disaster?, the drug problem?  etc., etc.  That strip club  bouncer matters more?

And they wonder why they're not so popular among their constituents.

Dammit!  I keep inserting the url into the wrong 'choice' above, and am too overtired to keep trying to fix it.  Someone, please?
Or, y'all can just go to the link, if'n yonta.

You might really want to watch this one, as it's what I believe MSM is referring to as a "total meltdown" from Carlson. lol
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Post by Calypso Jones Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:05 am

I am not convinced that putin is the total bad guy in this.
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Post by Lummy Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:18 am

Good post, CJ. Thanks!

Putin has several times been depicted attending Christian orthodox church, for what that's worth. It's part of the shtick, if nothing else  Of course, he's one the the world's preeminent liars too, so there is that ...

Well, I think that in perspective, nukes are hardly more than a distraction. They hold politicians' attention because the hold public attention, but  I doubt nukes will never be used for the simple reason that the threat they pose is way more powerful than the reality of their consequences.

Zelensky is right that the many billions of US dollars to Ukraine is an "investment in global security", but that's because all those billions pacify jews like Zelensky, just like elebration of Israel pacifies jews.

It's the biggest con probably in history, and it's ongoing ... also one of Tucker's best posts. Thanks!

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6317617044112
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Post by Red Lily Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:31 pm

The main leadership in DC is way way too old.  I think they're all senile.
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Post by Calypso Jones Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:08 pm

I don't understand how they continue to live. Their systems are stuck on maintain....or the devil needs them here to do his bidding.
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Post by RV Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:28 pm

Calypso Jones wrote:I am not convinced that putin is the total bad guy in this.

I absolutely agree! I won't say that Putin nor Russia are the "bad" guys considering that the U.S. government has done so many clandestine and questionable things through the years. I feel that the American public is not getting the truth, just a narrative that the deep staters want us to believe. Obviously the "media" is playing a part in the lie as is always the case of late.

We saw this with the Presidential election fraud, the WuFlu scam, mask "mandates", WuFlu "Vaccines", the Epstein "suicide", Afghanistan, the DOJ, the FBI, school shootings, UFO's, evolution, abortion, gun control, the national debt, etc., etc., etc.

What is the goal in Ukraine? To spend the U.S. into oblivion while proxy fighting Russia using the Ukraine as a "reason".
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Post by 2cent Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:47 pm

Calypso Jones wrote:I am not convinced that putin is the total bad guy in this.
An excerpt of a speech given by Christopher Caldwell in the Sept. '22 Volume of Imprimis does an excellent job of explaining Putin's position, when it comes to this war, which is not as you infer, entirely at the fault of President Putin. As a matter of fact, as much blame could easily be laid at the feet of Zelinsky, and, let's not forget w/the aid of the U.S.

Putin invaded Ukraine after the U.S. rejected his demand for a guarantee that Ukraine not join NATO. We don't have to excuse Putin, but we should note that, until quite recently, having Ukraine in NATO was a prospect that struck even many American foreign policy thinkers as aa bad idea.

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If you had to give a one-word answer to what this Ukraine War is about, you would probably say Crimea. Crimea is a peninsula jutting out into the middle of the Black Sea. It’s where the great powers of Europe fought the bloodiest war of the century between Napoleon and World War I. It is a defensive superweapon. The country that controls it dominates the Black Sea and can project its military force into Europe, the Middle East, and even the steppes of Eurasia. And since the 1700s, that country has been Russia. Crimea has been the home of Russia’s warm water fleet for 250 years. It is the key to Russia’s southern defenses.

Crimea found itself within the borders of Ukraine because in 1954, the year after Stalin died, his successor Nikita Khrushchev signed it over to Ukraine. Historians now hotly debate why he did that. But while Crimea was administratively Ukrainian, it was culturally Russian. It showed on several occasions that it was as eager to break with Ukrainiamy from Ukraine. In 1994, 83 percent voted for the establishment of a dual Crimean/Russian citizenship. We’ll leave aside the referendum held after the Russians arrived in 2014, which resulted in a similar percentage but remains controversial.

There's a good deal more to it, and I hope people will read it from beginning to end, as it gives a clear demonstration of how and why the Ukraine war is not as black & white as some would like us to believe.
It's as impartial as anyone could do, I believe. Either way, it's very insightful.


Zee link:
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/complications-of-the-ukraine-war/
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Post by Casey Jones Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:01 pm

Calypso Jones wrote:I am not convinced that putin is the total bad guy in this.

Putin is an unlikely hero in this, but a hero he is.

It was Putin who took Russia away from the Oligarch Mafia - which had stripped the nation to the rafters, had made money-laundering and worldwide child-porn distribution respectable. It was the era of loudly-dressed young men driving German cars, ignoring all traffic laws, and being untouchable.

Boris Yeltsin, dying drunk, didn't have the power or the will to stop it. So, as his health was fading, Putin came in. Former WEF acolyte, former lower-level KGB functionary...he knew who was running Russia and knew that the former operators of the USSR were looking to reassert control. Russia was experiencing the anarchy that always comes before a reestablishment of tyranny.

And he did well by his country. We heard little of Russia for 20 years...and what Russia was doing, was revitalizing basic industries. Mining and smelting and refining. All that an industrial society NEEDS.

The unrehabilitated Soviets didn't like that. Nor the Oligarchs. Nor the WEF, which had their fingers in both camps - and are themselves Communist, in practice if not in name.

So, Putin had to be leaned on...and since HE hasn't shifted direction, he must be removed.

Who will replace him? That we're not being told, is a clue that it's probably a person known with links to the Soviets. This is the re-emergence of Global Communism...and this time the Soviets aren't pushing it; the Russians are one of the few holdouts.
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Post by Red Lily Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:01 pm

I'd never look at Putin as a hero but to each his own.
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Post by 2cent Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:06 pm

Casey Jones wrote:
Calypso Jones wrote:I am not convinced that putin is the total bad guy in this.

Putin is an unlikely hero in this, but a hero he is.

It was Putin who took Russia away from the Oligarch Mafia - which had stripped the nation to the rafters, had made money-laundering and worldwide child-porn distribution respectable.  It was the era of loudly-dressed young men driving German cars, ignoring all traffic laws, and being untouchable.

Boris Yeltsin, dying drunk, didn't have the power or the will to stop it.  So, as his health was fading, Putin came in.  Former WEF acolyte, former lower-level KGB functionary...he knew who was running Russia and knew that the former operators of the USSR were looking to reassert control.  Russia was experiencing the anarchy that always comes before a reestablishment of tyranny.

And he did well by his country.  We heard little of Russia for 20 years...and what Russia was doing, was revitalizing basic industries.  Mining and smelting and refining.  All that an industrial society NEEDS.

The unrehabilitated Soviets didn't like that.  Nor the Oligarchs.  Nor the WEF, which had their fingers in both camps - and are themselves Communist, in practice if not in name.

So, Putin had to be leaned on...and since HE hasn't shifted direction, he must be removed.

Who will replace him?  That we're not being told, is a clue that it's probably a person known with links to the Soviets.  This is the re-emergence of Global Communism...and this time the Soviets aren't pushing it; the Russians are one of the few holdouts.
@Casey Jones, I think you'd appreciate Caldwell's contribution to Imprimis at the link above.
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