Elon Musk Takes Control of Twitter
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Re: Elon Musk Takes Control of Twitter
https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitter-acquisition-problems-speech-moderation
Twitter is a disaster clown car company that is successful despite itself, and there is no possible way to grow users and revenue without making a series of enormous compromises that will ultimately destroy your reputation and possibly cause grievous damage to your other companies.
I say this with utter confidence because the problems with Twitter are not engineering problems. They are political problems. Twitter, the company, makes very little interesting technology; the tech stack is not the valuable asset. The asset is the user base: hopelessly addicted politicians, reporters, celebrities, and other people who should know better but keep posting anyway. You! You, Elon Musk, are addicted to Twitter. You’re the asset. You just bought yourself for $44 billion dollars.
The problem when the asset is people is that people are intensely complicated, and trying to regulate how people behave is historically a miserable experience, especially when that authority is vested in a single powerful individual.
What I mean is that you are now the King of Twitter, and people think that you, personally, are responsible for everything that happens on Twitter now. It also turns out that absolute monarchs usually get murdered when shit goes sideways.
Here are some examples: you can write as many polite letters to advertisers as you want, but you cannot reasonably expect to collect any meaningful advertising revenue if you do not promise those advertisers “brand safety.” That means you have to ban racism, sexism, transphobia, and all kinds of other speech that is totally legal in the United States but reveals people to be total assholes. So you can make all the promises about “free speech” you want, but the dull reality is that you still have to ban a bunch of legal speech if you want to make money. And when you start doing that, your creepy new right-wing fanboys are going to viciously turn on you, just like they turn on every other social network that realizes the same essential truth.
Actually, there’s a step before trying to get the ad money: it turns out that most people do not want to participate in horrible unmoderated internet spaces full of shitty racists and not-all-men fedora bullies. (This is why Twitter is so small compared to its peers!) What most people want from social media is to have nice experiences and to feel validated all the time. They want to live at Disney World. So if you want more people to join Twitter and actually post tweets, you have to make the experience much, much more pleasant. Which means: moderating more aggressively! Again, every “alternative” social network has learned this lesson the hard way. Like, over and over and over again.
Also, everyone crying about “free speech” conveniently ignores that the biggest threat to free speech in America is the fucking government, which seems completely bored of the First Amendment. They’re out here banning books, Elon! President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump have identical policy positions on Section 230: they both want to repeal it. Do you know why? Because the First Amendment prohibits them from making explicit speech regulations, so they keep threatening to repeal the law that allows social networks to even exist in order to exert indirect pressure on content policy. It’s not subtle!
Twitter is a disaster clown car company that is successful despite itself, and there is no possible way to grow users and revenue without making a series of enormous compromises that will ultimately destroy your reputation and possibly cause grievous damage to your other companies.
I say this with utter confidence because the problems with Twitter are not engineering problems. They are political problems. Twitter, the company, makes very little interesting technology; the tech stack is not the valuable asset. The asset is the user base: hopelessly addicted politicians, reporters, celebrities, and other people who should know better but keep posting anyway. You! You, Elon Musk, are addicted to Twitter. You’re the asset. You just bought yourself for $44 billion dollars.
The problem when the asset is people is that people are intensely complicated, and trying to regulate how people behave is historically a miserable experience, especially when that authority is vested in a single powerful individual.
What I mean is that you are now the King of Twitter, and people think that you, personally, are responsible for everything that happens on Twitter now. It also turns out that absolute monarchs usually get murdered when shit goes sideways.
Here are some examples: you can write as many polite letters to advertisers as you want, but you cannot reasonably expect to collect any meaningful advertising revenue if you do not promise those advertisers “brand safety.” That means you have to ban racism, sexism, transphobia, and all kinds of other speech that is totally legal in the United States but reveals people to be total assholes. So you can make all the promises about “free speech” you want, but the dull reality is that you still have to ban a bunch of legal speech if you want to make money. And when you start doing that, your creepy new right-wing fanboys are going to viciously turn on you, just like they turn on every other social network that realizes the same essential truth.
Actually, there’s a step before trying to get the ad money: it turns out that most people do not want to participate in horrible unmoderated internet spaces full of shitty racists and not-all-men fedora bullies. (This is why Twitter is so small compared to its peers!) What most people want from social media is to have nice experiences and to feel validated all the time. They want to live at Disney World. So if you want more people to join Twitter and actually post tweets, you have to make the experience much, much more pleasant. Which means: moderating more aggressively! Again, every “alternative” social network has learned this lesson the hard way. Like, over and over and over again.
Also, everyone crying about “free speech” conveniently ignores that the biggest threat to free speech in America is the fucking government, which seems completely bored of the First Amendment. They’re out here banning books, Elon! President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump have identical policy positions on Section 230: they both want to repeal it. Do you know why? Because the First Amendment prohibits them from making explicit speech regulations, so they keep threatening to repeal the law that allows social networks to even exist in order to exert indirect pressure on content policy. It’s not subtle!
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Re: Elon Musk Takes Control of Twitter
The Above article written by Reuters liberal lovin' leftist twots.
(Reporting by Greg Roumeliotis in New York; Editing by Christian Schmollinger)
(Reporting by Greg Roumeliotis in New York; Editing by Christian Schmollinger)
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It sounds it. The whole thing, start to finish, is nothing but a load of slop poured on top of ignorance.Calypso Jones wrote:The Above article written by Reuters liberal lovin' leftist twots.
(Reporting by Greg Roumeliotis in New York; Editing by Christian Schmollinger)
Advertisers are going to clamor for the opportunity to advertise the way they've been dying to for ages. The 'woke' advertisers may learn that their style is out of style. We'll see. I don't quite really give a darn. And I bet, neither does Musk, 'cuz he can carry the $$$ weight, w/o sweating it much.
The way I see it, the obtaining of Twitter was sport for Musk, a challenge; the keeping and running of it, a hobby. One, as I said, he can well afford. This is why I'm tickled that he swiped it up. I'm getting a kick out of the way he's treating those who would suffocate Freedom of Speech.
All of which isn't to say that I'm Musk's biggest fan. I'm not. But I don't have to be a fan to appreciate the daylights out of our pure enemies getting very publicly tarred and feathered, run out of town on a rail.
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Re: Elon Musk Takes Control of Twitter
Twitter’s newly ousted top lawyer, Vijaya Gadde, made the calls to ban former President Donald Trump from the platform and to censor the Hunter Biden laptop story.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/ousted-twitter-top-lawyer-made-calls-to-ban-trump-censor-hunter-biden-laptop-story
Another Indian.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/ousted-twitter-top-lawyer-made-calls-to-ban-trump-censor-hunter-biden-laptop-story
Another Indian.
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2cent wrote:It sounds it. The whole thing, start to finish, is nothing but a load of slop poured on top of ignorance.Calypso Jones wrote:The Above article written by Reuters liberal lovin' leftist twots.
(Reporting by Greg Roumeliotis in New York; Editing by Christian Schmollinger)
Advertisers are going to clamor for the opportunity to advertise the way they've been dying to for ages. The 'woke' advertisers may learn that their style is out of style. We'll see. I don't quite really give a darn. And I bet, neither does Musk, 'cuz he can carry the $$$ weight, w/o sweating it much.
The way I see it, the obtaining of Twitter was sport for Musk, a challenge; the keeping and running of it, a hobby. One, as I said, he can well afford. This is why I'm tickled that he swiped it up. I'm getting a kick out of the way he's treating those who would suffocate Freedom of Speech.
All of which isn't to say that I'm Musk's biggest fan. I'm not. But I don't have to be a fan to appreciate the daylights out of our pure enemies getting very publicly tarred and feathered, run out of town on a rail.
I try to praise what I think is the good when I see it otherwise I'd be no better than those liberals who never praise people like Trump for the good he accomplished and are all "he made mean tweets" and hate on him no matter what.
You're never going to agree 100% with everyone's opinions/actions but it makes no sense (and seems defeatist to me) to tear someone down 'just because.'
We call it Tall Poppy Syndrome here.
I'm thoroughly enjoying watching these @holes get their just desserts (just before the midterms) and that's good enough for me.
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"Tall Poppy Syndrome." I like it. :thumbsup2:Red Lily wrote:2cent wrote:It sounds it. The whole thing, start to finish, is nothing but a load of slop poured on top of ignorance.Calypso Jones wrote:The Above article written by Reuters liberal lovin' leftist twots.
(Reporting by Greg Roumeliotis in New York; Editing by Christian Schmollinger)
Advertisers are going to clamor for the opportunity to advertise the way they've been dying to for ages. The 'woke' advertisers may learn that their style is out of style. We'll see. I don't quite really give a darn. And I bet, neither does Musk, 'cuz he can carry the $$$ weight, w/o sweating it much.
The way I see it, the obtaining of Twitter was sport for Musk, a challenge; the keeping and running of it, a hobby. One, as I said, he can well afford. This is why I'm tickled that he swiped it up. I'm getting a kick out of the way he's treating those who would suffocate Freedom of Speech.
All of which isn't to say that I'm Musk's biggest fan. I'm not. But I don't have to be a fan to appreciate the daylights out of our pure enemies getting very publicly tarred and feathered, run out of town on a rail.
I try to praise what I think is the good when I see it otherwise I'd be no better than those liberals who never praise people like Trump for the good he accomplished and are all "he made mean tweets" and hate on him no matter what.
You're never going to agree 100% with everyone's opinions/actions but it makes no sense (and seems defeatist to me) to tear someone down 'just because.'
We call it Tall Poppy Syndrome here.
I'm thoroughly enjoying watching these @holes get their just desserts (just before the midterms) and that's good enough for me.
And I'm with you, when it comes to attempting to be perfection in everyone's eyes. An impossible feat. No, thank you.
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2cent wrote:It sounds it. The whole thing, start to finish, is nothing but a load of slop poured on top of ignorance.Calypso Jones wrote:The Above article written by Reuters liberal lovin' leftist twots.
(Reporting by Greg Roumeliotis in New York; Editing by Christian Schmollinger)
Advertisers are going to clamor for the opportunity to advertise the way they've been dying to for ages. The 'woke' advertisers may learn that their style is out of style. We'll see. I don't quite really give a darn. And I bet, neither does Musk, 'cuz he can carry the $$$ weight, w/o sweating it much.
The way I see it, the obtaining of Twitter was sport for Musk, a challenge; the keeping and running of it, a hobby. One, as I said, he can well afford. This is why I'm tickled that he swiped it up. I'm getting a kick out of the way he's treating those who would suffocate Freedom of Speech.
All of which isn't to say that I'm Musk's biggest fan. I'm not. But I don't have to be a fan to appreciate the daylights out of our pure enemies getting very publicly tarred and feathered, run out of town on a rail.
I doubt advertisers will rush in.
Most corporate leaders are Woke, and have infected their businesses with PC and ESG.
It's Musk's concern, now. I was never on; and slowly, I'm disengaging. We're a world gone MAD.
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Re: Elon Musk Takes Control of Twitter
1:57
Here's how Karine Jean-Pierre responded to Twitter fact checking the White House
Here's how Karine Jean-Pierre responded to Twitter fact checking the White House
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LOL! How can one be so stupid as to not realize that putting it in context makes it all the worse for the prez?! still lolRed Lily wrote:1:57
Here's how Karine Jean-Pierre responded to Twitter fact checking the White House
Can't help saying - That has got to be THEE prettiest shade of green going.
*Now watch as I'm inundated with being accused of loving the nitwit just because I like the color of her dress.
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Casey Jones wrote:vege57 wrote:Casey Jones wrote:vege57 wrote:
""$TSLA would have folded years ago, for its inferior product,""
I know someone that owns a tesla and they love it, use it as their regular vehicle . You need to be a little cautious with the penis envy, and what you read on social media
I knew someone who bought a Checker as their regular vehicle. They loved it.
I also knew someone who bought a 30-year-old school bus. They loved it.
Penis envy has nothing to do with it. I talk stats, reports, news events (fires, Autopilot deaths, wheels coming off at speed, doors refusing to open). You can believe it or not.
I have no patience for fanboiz.
""I talk stats,""
ever heard the saying
" lies damn lies and stats " ?
You cant bring the person that owned the school bus into the argument, we were talking tesla , You said they were shit and I told you of someone that loved their purchase,
You are not talking stats you are merely showing your negative bias
Okay, the car is just perfect.
Then buy one. I don't think it's just perfect. I don't think it's anything but flammable crap.
If it's so perfect, then, it doesn't need government subsidies to sell, then, does it. Well, it has them. I do NOT want to own one, but essentially my tax money is being taken to subsidize those pie-eyed buyers who think it's so wonderful.
I also don't want those driverless things rocketing around on any highway near me. Enough people have been killed THAT way, too. More perfection.
Excellent point.
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