putin loses

vege57 wrote:

billy the kid wrote:I see Turkey is blocking Finland/Swedens attempts
to join NATO.
Perhaps sprint could enlighten us with his infinite
wisdom as to how this will be dealt with by NATO...
I notice he hasnt responded to my recent posts...
Perhaps he is doing a little research....
Perhaps he is not.....

They have said they have concerns regarding their membership, but it falls short of blocking it, just a little negotiation required

Change the guidelines on joining

Two Russian Raptor Assault Boats sunk - on video

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/05/watch-ukrainian-tb2-striking-two-russian-raptor-assault-boats/

vege57 wrote:""New footage shows Ukrainians blowing up Russia's most-advanced £4million tank 'with a Swedish rocket launcher that costs £18,000'""

Some might beg to differ with you J ?


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10801589/Ukraine-war-New-footage-shows-Russias-latest-gen-T-90M-tank-destroyed.html

no vege. a russian tank shot it from behind to keep it from being used against them.

Sprintcyclist wrote:

vege57 wrote:

billy the kid wrote:I see Turkey is blocking Finland/Swedens attempts
to join NATO.
Perhaps sprint could enlighten us with his infinite
wisdom as to how this will be dealt with by NATO...
I notice he hasnt responded to my recent posts...
Perhaps he is doing a little research....
Perhaps he is not.....

They have said they have concerns regarding their membership, but it falls short of blocking it, just a little negotiation required

Change the guidelines on joining

Perhaps you can enlighten us on what the guidelines are..
Perhaps you can also enlighten us on why NATO even exists...after all it should have been
disbanded after the Berlin wall came down and the soviet union collapsed.
There was no longer any need for it...

Turkey houses millions of "refugees" that Erdogan has threatened to send to the EU unless the EU paid up...and the EU paid up.
Biden/NATO are losing badly in Ukraine and are desperate for "we're winning" headlines.....

Turkey borders Syria, Iraq and Iran with Russia a stones throw away.....Turkey has tremendous leverage......they could leave NATO and partner with 4 countries the USA has spent trillions/decades trying to subjugate.....

If out of NATO, Turkey could/should/would abandon the Dollar (default on its Western debts) and join the new Russia/China led economic/political order.....

It would be a huge foreign policy disaster if Turkey exited NATO; we should fully expect Biden to force Turkey's exit from NATO....

jirqoadai wrote:

vege57 wrote:""New footage shows Ukrainians blowing up Russia's most-advanced £4million tank 'with a Swedish rocket launcher that costs £18,000'""

Some might beg to differ with you J ?


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10801589/Ukraine-war-New-footage-shows-Russias-latest-gen-T-90M-tank-destroyed.html

no vege. a russian tank shot it from behind to keep it from being used against them.

If a Russian tank can whack it , then any tank or artillery piece can ?

billy the kid wrote:Turkey houses millions of "refugees" that Erdogan has threatened to send to the EU unless the EU paid up...and the EU paid up.
Biden/NATO are losing badly in Ukraine and are desperate for "we're winning" headlines.....

Turkey borders Syria, Iraq and Iran with Russia a stones throw away.....Turkey has tremendous leverage......they could leave NATO and partner with 4 countries the USA has spent trillions/decades trying to subjugate.....

If out of NATO, Turkey could/should/would abandon the Dollar (default on its Western debts) and join the new Russia/China led economic/political order.....

It would be a huge foreign policy disaster if Turkey exited NATO; we should fully expect Biden to force Turkey's exit from NATO....

Its all part of the process of negotiation lol, A lot of saber rattling and threats .

vege57 wrote:

billy the kid wrote:Turkey houses millions of "refugees" that Erdogan has threatened to send to the EU unless the EU paid up...and the EU paid up.
Biden/NATO are losing badly in Ukraine and are desperate for "we're winning" headlines.....

Turkey borders Syria, Iraq and Iran with Russia a stones throw away.....Turkey has tremendous leverage......they could leave NATO and partner with 4 countries the USA has spent trillions/decades trying to subjugate.....

If out of NATO, Turkey could/should/would abandon the Dollar (default on its Western debts) and join the new Russia/China led economic/political order.....

It would be a huge foreign policy disaster if Turkey exited NATO; we should fully expect Biden to force Turkey's exit from NATO....

Its all part of the process of negotiation lol, A lot of saber rattling and threats .

Yes...and a lot of it is just media bullshit with various journos looking for a headline...
Even if Turkey did leave NATO, they have to give 12 months notice...and from what I have
read they cant be kicked out of NATO...they have to leave of their own volition....

billy the kid wrote:

vege57 wrote:

billy the kid wrote:Turkey houses millions of "refugees" that Erdogan has threatened to send to the EU unless the EU paid up...and the EU paid up.
Biden/NATO are losing badly in Ukraine and are desperate for "we're winning" headlines.....

Turkey borders Syria, Iraq and Iran with Russia a stones throw away.....Turkey has tremendous leverage......they could leave NATO and partner with 4 countries the USA has spent trillions/decades trying to subjugate.....

If out of NATO, Turkey could/should/would abandon the Dollar (default on its Western debts) and join the new Russia/China led economic/political order.....

It would be a huge foreign policy disaster if Turkey exited NATO; we should fully expect Biden to force Turkey's exit from NATO....

Its all part of the process of negotiation lol, A lot of saber rattling and threats .

Yes...and a lot of it is just media bullshit with various journos looking for a headline...
Even if Turkey did leave NATO, they have to give 12 months notice...and from what I have
read they cant be kicked out of NATO...they have to leave of their own volition....

Im not sure that NATO have an exit clause for their members, other than voluntarily that is

Other than war crimes and such like ,,