Fleet in Danger? Metallurgist Comes Forward with the Truth About Navy Steel
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Fleet in Danger? Metallurgist Comes Forward with the Truth About Navy Steel
Imagine being deep below the ocean in a submarine and, as the sea’s intense pressure bears against the hull of the vessel or as you perhaps risk collision, you learn that records of tests of the submarine’s steel were falsified.
Not a good feeling.
It’s not an imaginary scenario, as a metallurgist has admitted to 30 years of falsifying records of strength testing of steel for U.S. Navy submarines.
Elaine Thomas of Auburn, Washington, has pleaded guilty to major fraud as a result of doctoring results of strength and toughness of steel cast by her employer, Bradken, Inc., a leading provider of castings to contractors who fabricate submarine hulls for the Navy, according to a U.S. Department of Justice news release.
Thomas, 67, was a metallurgist for a Tacoma steel foundry of Atlas Castings & Technology, which Bradken acquired in 2008, naming Thomas director of metallurgy the following year, The New York Times reported.
Bradken’s management has said they were unaware of Thomas’ falsifications until 2017, according to the Justice Department. Bradken management learned of the false tests as a result of a lab employee’s examination of Thomas’ test records.
“The Navy requires that the steel meets certain standards for strength and toughness to ensure that it does not fail under certain circumstances, such as a collision,” the news release, which was from the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Washington, said.
“For 30 years, the Tacoma foundry … produced castings, many of which had failed lab tests and did not meet the Navy’s standards,” the release continued.
It noted that Thomas “… falsified test results to hide the fact that the steel had failed the tests. Thomas falsified results for over 240 productions of steel, which represent a substantial percentage of the castings Bradken produced for the Navy.”
Have falsified steel tests made U.S. submarines unsafe?
Yes: 97% (142 Votes)
No: 3% (4 Votes)
A federal indictment said Thomas would change the first digit on a test result, providing a 10- to 20-foot-pound increase in the “amount of dynamic force” steel could resist, according to the New York Times.
Sentencing, scheduled for February 2022, could net as much as 10 years in prison for Thomas and a $1 million fine, according to the Justice Department.
In 2020, the company entered into an agreement of deferred prosecution, “accepting responsibility for the offense and agreeing to take remedial measures,” the release said.
“Bradken also entered into a civil settlement, paying $10,896,924 to resolve allegations that the foundry produced and sold substandard steel components for installation on U.S. Navy submarines.
“The Navy has taken extensive steps to ensure the safe operation of the affected submarines. Those measures will result in increased costs and maintenance as the substandard parts are monitored.”
The story has an international slant; perhaps one we may not like: China Daily Global, an official news organ of the Chinese Communist government, produced a video about it, perhaps with a touch of glee.
Navy submarines are constructed with some of their components under the SUBSAFE standards, developed following the crushing of the USS Thresher in 1963, lost in a deep-diving test, according to the U.S. Naval Institute News.
SUBSAFE standards are to “. . . provide the maximum reasonable assurance that the ship will not have flooding but if flooding does occur, assures that the ship will get safely to the surface.”
It’s unclear if the questionable Bradken castings were meant to be built to SUBSAFE standards, USNI News reported.
In addition to reviewing potential hazards to Navy subs in service with Bradken castings, Assistant Secretary of the Navy for Research, Development and Acquisition James Geurts said in June, “We have done a sweep of any material that was in the queue for new construction submarines.
“That’s a little easier because it isn’t in the submarine yet, and we’re confident in the material for any of the new construction submarines,” he said.
Geurts said the Navy was working closely with Bradken and had “instituted additional audits and inspections.”
https://www.westernjournal.com/fleet-danger-metallurgist-comes-forward-truth-navy-steel/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=conservative-brief-CT&utm_campaign=dailyam&utm_content=conservative-tribune&ats_es=57139bde57e070d7cce67b2f02003c45
Not a good feeling.
It’s not an imaginary scenario, as a metallurgist has admitted to 30 years of falsifying records of strength testing of steel for U.S. Navy submarines.
Elaine Thomas of Auburn, Washington, has pleaded guilty to major fraud as a result of doctoring results of strength and toughness of steel cast by her employer, Bradken, Inc., a leading provider of castings to contractors who fabricate submarine hulls for the Navy, according to a U.S. Department of Justice news release.
Thomas, 67, was a metallurgist for a Tacoma steel foundry of Atlas Castings & Technology, which Bradken acquired in 2008, naming Thomas director of metallurgy the following year, The New York Times reported.
Bradken’s management has said they were unaware of Thomas’ falsifications until 2017, according to the Justice Department. Bradken management learned of the false tests as a result of a lab employee’s examination of Thomas’ test records.
“The Navy requires that the steel meets certain standards for strength and toughness to ensure that it does not fail under certain circumstances, such as a collision,” the news release, which was from the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Washington, said.
“For 30 years, the Tacoma foundry … produced castings, many of which had failed lab tests and did not meet the Navy’s standards,” the release continued.
It noted that Thomas “… falsified test results to hide the fact that the steel had failed the tests. Thomas falsified results for over 240 productions of steel, which represent a substantial percentage of the castings Bradken produced for the Navy.”
Have falsified steel tests made U.S. submarines unsafe?
Yes: 97% (142 Votes)
No: 3% (4 Votes)
A federal indictment said Thomas would change the first digit on a test result, providing a 10- to 20-foot-pound increase in the “amount of dynamic force” steel could resist, according to the New York Times.
Sentencing, scheduled for February 2022, could net as much as 10 years in prison for Thomas and a $1 million fine, according to the Justice Department.
In 2020, the company entered into an agreement of deferred prosecution, “accepting responsibility for the offense and agreeing to take remedial measures,” the release said.
“Bradken also entered into a civil settlement, paying $10,896,924 to resolve allegations that the foundry produced and sold substandard steel components for installation on U.S. Navy submarines.
“The Navy has taken extensive steps to ensure the safe operation of the affected submarines. Those measures will result in increased costs and maintenance as the substandard parts are monitored.”
The story has an international slant; perhaps one we may not like: China Daily Global, an official news organ of the Chinese Communist government, produced a video about it, perhaps with a touch of glee.
Navy submarines are constructed with some of their components under the SUBSAFE standards, developed following the crushing of the USS Thresher in 1963, lost in a deep-diving test, according to the U.S. Naval Institute News.
SUBSAFE standards are to “. . . provide the maximum reasonable assurance that the ship will not have flooding but if flooding does occur, assures that the ship will get safely to the surface.”
It’s unclear if the questionable Bradken castings were meant to be built to SUBSAFE standards, USNI News reported.
In addition to reviewing potential hazards to Navy subs in service with Bradken castings, Assistant Secretary of the Navy for Research, Development and Acquisition James Geurts said in June, “We have done a sweep of any material that was in the queue for new construction submarines.
“That’s a little easier because it isn’t in the submarine yet, and we’re confident in the material for any of the new construction submarines,” he said.
Geurts said the Navy was working closely with Bradken and had “instituted additional audits and inspections.”
https://www.westernjournal.com/fleet-danger-metallurgist-comes-forward-truth-navy-steel/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=conservative-brief-CT&utm_campaign=dailyam&utm_content=conservative-tribune&ats_es=57139bde57e070d7cce67b2f02003c45
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this is a stupid thread. as our Ohio class submarines operate at above a depth of 300', huge ocean pressures are a figament of the authors immagination.
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In addition the minus 70 C.jirqoadai wrote:this is a stupid thread. as our Ohio class submarines operate at above a depth of 300', huge ocean pressures are a figament of the authors immagination.
The woman was wrong, but she is correct, it is a stupid specification
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i never finished the article. jerry made a prototype with 28mm krupt steel. crush depth was calculated at 1,250 feet.JMWinPR wrote:In addition the minus 70 C.jirqoadai wrote:this is a stupid thread. as our Ohio class submarines operate at above a depth of 300', huge ocean pressures are a figament of the authors immagination.
The woman was wrong, but she is correct, it is a stupid specification
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I don't really believe that figure. UBoats were able to operate at that depth.jirqoadai wrote:this is a stupid thread. as our Ohio class submarines operate at above a depth of 300', huge ocean pressures are a figament of the authors immagination.
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u-boats operated well under '300 feet. ive been told by someone who earned his Dolphins before he had six months on board, that they never operate below 300. talked to the ballast operator once on his sub. they never do a partial blow. so sounds extremely rudimentary. surface, periscope, depth. they dont operate like jerry did.JMWinPR wrote:I don't really believe that figure. UBoats were able to operate at that depth.jirqoadai wrote:this is a stupid thread. as our Ohio class submarines operate at above a depth of 300', huge ocean pressures are a figament of the authors immagination.
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all Uboats of the IA, II, and VII except the VIIC/41 were operated normaly above '328. the VIIC/41 and XB operated above '394. at present i can only verify two crush depths. VIIC/41 of '820. all other type sevens @ '656. if you got a book, and see different numbers or other type specs, please list them.
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Here ya go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gato-class_submarine
; https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Submarine_depth_ratings ;
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=89766.
You might run across USS Batfish. One of its Officers lived down the street, I went to school with his son. It was on the show Silent Service. I did not know about the records it set until I looked up submarine operating depths. As for Janes Fighting Ships, T Clancy had better info in his early books!!
; https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Submarine_depth_ratings ;
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=89766.
You might run across USS Batfish. One of its Officers lived down the street, I went to school with his son. It was on the show Silent Service. I did not know about the records it set until I looked up submarine operating depths. As for Janes Fighting Ships, T Clancy had better info in his early books!!
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i too am an avid reader of uboatdotnet. as they have extremely little information about the Alberich anti-sonar coating and the sucess that that alone gave uboats who had a properly applied coat, i only take their operational dates to heart. if you dont know about sonar counter measures, what do you realy know about anything to do with a submarine program?
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if you are still guessing about our Killer Bee program, it swims out and returns while we are at depth.
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